#63 - Concrete and Two Buckets

May 27, 2024

#63 - Concrete and Two Buckets

Unfiltered Union

Russ and Lindz discuss the unique challenges of living in Florida, including the constant heat, humidity, and the peculiarities of daily life in the Sunshine State. They share personal anecdotes about their family's recent health challenges, including their child's bout with walking pneumonia, and their strategies for staying cool in the extreme weather.

The podcast delves into deeper topics such as mental health, incarceration, and societal challenges. They explore the complexities of the prison system, discussing the need for separate tracks for mentally stable and mentally unstable inmates, and the importance of providing proper mental health resources. The conversation touches on the tragic impact of teen suicide and the critical need for better mental health support for young people.

The episode concludes with a mix of lighthearted and serious discussions, including their thoughts on Taylor Swift's Florida song, unusual funeral preferences, and surprising medical findings like women becoming more fertile while using Ozempic. Throughout the conversation, they maintain a candid and humorous tone while addressing significant social issues and personal experiences.

Podcast Title

Unfiltered Union

Host

Russ and Lindz

Publish Date

May 27, 2024

Categories

Episode Notes

Join Russ and Lindz on this episode of Unfiltered Union where they dive into everything from the crazy housing market and the struggles young folks face today, to deep chats about mental health and some pretty wild ideas about what to do for their funerals. They also get into a heated debate over Taylor Swift's Florida song, share funny gator stories, and tackle the pros and cons of renting vs. buying a home. Plus, hear about Russ’s amusing sunburn remedies and their quirky thoughts on surviving Florida's heat. It's a mix of serious talk, laughs, and a bit of everything in between. Don't miss it!

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  1. Florida's extreme heat means even showers don't provide relief, leading to unique coping strategies like eating ice cream in the shower

  2. The current housing market is making homeownership nearly impossible for younger generations, with housing prices dramatically increasing while wages remain stagnant

  3. Mental health resources are critically lacking, especially for teenagers, and more comprehensive support systems are needed in schools and at home

  4. The couple advocates for separate rehabilitation tracks in the justice system - one for mentally stable offenders and another for those with diagnosed mental health disorders

  5. Psychedelics show potential promise as a mental health treatment, particularly for those who have not responded to traditional therapies, and are viewed as naturally occurring potential healing agents

  6. Florida's ecosystem includes alligators, which the hosts view as part of a healthy natural environment and not necessarily a threat to be feared or relocated

  7. The weight loss drug Ozempic has unexpected side effects, including potentially increasing fertility in older women, with one 53-year-old becoming pregnant

  8. Taylor Swift's song about Florida sparked discussion about the state's cultural perception, with the hosts finding the portrayal more nuanced than controversial

  1. "Jail is supposed to be a punishment, but that you come back from."  - Russ

    - This quote captures a key perspective on the purpose of incarceration - rehabilitation over pure punishment. It highlights the hosts' nuanced view on criminal justice.

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  2. "I think there needs to be a separation from people who perform crimes and are mentally evaluated and found stable versus people who have clear mental health disorders."  - Lindz

    - This quote represents a thoughtful approach to addressing mental health in the criminal justice system, suggesting a more compassionate and targeted approach to rehabilitation.

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  3. "Florida is hot, so showers in the morning is a waste of time."  - Russ

    - A humorous and quintessential Florida observation that captures the hosts' playful take on living in a hot climate.

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  4. "I believe there are plants and herbs and all the things that we need on this planet already."  - Lindz

    - This quote reflects a holistic, naturalistic perspective on healing and medicine, particularly in the context of discussing psychedelic treatments.

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  5. "You're not doing drugs at that point. Prescriptions are drugs."  - Russ

    - A provocative statement that challenges traditional perceptions of medication and psychedelic treatments, highlighting the nuanced conversation about mental health therapies.

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Chapter 1: Florida Living: Heat, Showers, and Ice Cream

Russ and Lindz discuss the unique challenges of living in Florida, particularly the extreme heat and its impact on daily life. They humorously explore Russ's innovative solution of eating ice cream in the shower to cool down, highlighting the uncomfortable reality of Florida's hot tap water and constant sweating.

  • Florida's heat makes traditional morning routines challenging and uncomfortable.
  • People living in hot, humid climates often develop creative coping mechanisms for staying cool.

Key Quotes

  1. "Florida is hot, so showers in the morning is a waste of time." by Russ

    - Captures the comedic frustration with Florida's heat and its impact on personal hygiene

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  2. "Because 90 of the time, when I get out of the shower, I am already sweating." by Russ

    - Illustrates the extreme humidity and discomfort of Florida's climate

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Chapter 2: Family Health and Recovery

The hosts discuss their recent family health challenges, specifically their child's illness of walking pneumonia. They emphasize the importance of taking it easy during recovery and maintaining low activity levels to support healing.

  • Recovery from illness requires patience and careful management of activity levels.
  • Parents play a crucial role in supporting their children's health during sickness.

Key Quote

  1. "We're keeping our activity levels to a minimum, just because pneumonia messes with your lungs and we don't want to overdo it." by Russ

    - Demonstrates responsible parenting and understanding of medical recovery

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Chapter 3: Taylor Swift and Florida Vibes

Russ and Lindz discuss Taylor Swift's new song about Florida, analyzing its lyrics and the public's reaction. They debate the song's portrayal of the state and explore the potential meanings behind its metaphorical language.

  • Musical interpretations of place can be complex and metaphorical.
  • Public reactions to artistic representations can vary widely and be emotionally charged.

Key Quotes

  1. "Smells like weed and little babies and meaning like lotion, suntan lotion, sunscreen." by Lindz

    - Highlights the song's unique and metaphorical description of Florida

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  2. "I don't think it's talking that negative about Florida." by Russ

    - Provides a balanced perspective on the song's interpretation

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Chapter 4: Mental Health, Incarceration, and Societal Support

The hosts engage in a deep discussion about mental health, the criminal justice system, and the need for better support structures. They explore the challenges of handling mental health issues in prisons, the importance of rehabilitation, and the impact of societal resources on individuals' well-being.

  • The current criminal justice system lacks adequate mental health support and rehabilitation strategies.
  • A more compassionate and differentiated approach to incarceration could better serve individuals with mental health challenges.

Key Quotes

  1. "Jail is supposed to be a punishment, but that you come back from." by Russ

    - Highlights the ideal purpose of the correctional system

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  2. "There needs to be a separation from people who perform crimes and are mentally evaluated and found stable versus people who have clear mental health disorders." by Lindz

    - Articulates a nuanced approach to handling criminal justice and mental health

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Chapter 5: Dark Humor and End-of-Life Discussions

Russ and Lindz engage in a morbidly humorous conversation about their preferences for what should happen to their bodies after death. They discuss unconventional funeral ideas, including Russ's plan to be disposed of in the Gulf of Mexico and Lindz's friend's compost burial concept.

  • Couples often share dark humor as a way of processing serious topics like mortality.
  • Personal preferences for end-of-life arrangements can be highly unconventional and personalized.

Key Quote

  1. "I want you to go to Lowe's, buy two 5 gallon buckets and quick crete. Pour that into buckets. Put my legs in there and throw my ass in the Gulf of Mexico." by Russ

    - Represents the couple's dark, irreverent humor about death

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Podcast Intro/Outro Voice

The

Unfiltered

Union

Podcast.

Lindz

So,

normally

when

we

podcast,

we

have

guests

on

and

we

wear

clothes

that

look

a

little

more

presentable,

but

today

it's

all

about

comfort.

Russ

Well,

I

haven't

even

taken

a

shower.

Lindz

Yet

today,

so

sexy.

So,

I'm

Linds.

Russ

And

I'm

Russ.

Florida

is

hot,

so

showers

in

the

morning

is

a

waste

of

time.

Lindz

Well,

one

of

the

things

that

you

did

recently

that

I

have

to

give

you

your

flowers

on

is

the

shower

ice

cream

idea.

Russ

Yeah,

you

got

to

do

that.

What

do

you

mean?

I

mean,

so

Florida

is

hot.

Everybody

knows

this,

but

the

water,

like,

our

tap

water,

is

fucking

hot,

too.

Lindz

Okay.

Russ

So

there's

no

way

to

cool

off

in

Florida.

Like,

you

can't.

You

can't

turn

it

to

cold,

and

it

actually

turns

cold

for

us.

Lindz

Well,

to

an

extent.

Right.

Russ

It's

more

like

lukewarm,

but

it's

still

90

of

the

time.

It's

not

refreshing.

So

my

idea

was

to

bring

an

ice

cream

in

and

cool

off

while

I

take

a

shower.

Lindz

You're

just

so

productive

in

your

shower.

Russ

Because

90

of

the

time,

when

I

get

out

of

the

shower,

I

am

already

sweating.

Lindz

Huh.

Russ

I.

There

was

a

meme

out

there

that

said

what

it's

like

to

live

in

Florida

is

you

go

take

a

hot

shower,

then

you

get

out

and

put

your

clothes

on

without

drying

off.

That

is

a

hundred

percent

true.

Lindz

I

hundred.

Russ

I

hundred.

Lindz

Yeah.

I

feel

like

we've

been

doing

a

lot

of

comfy

clothes

and

comfiness

over

the

past,

what,

week

and

a

half?

Almost

two

weeks.

So

kiddo

was

sick?

Russ

Yeah.

For

what,

eight

days?

Lindz

She

had

a

fever

for

eight

days.

Russ

The

old

walking

pee

pneumonia.

Lindz

It

was

crazy.

So

I

don't

think

we've

gotten

out

of

the

comfy

clothes

just

yet.

Russ

No.

And

I'm

still.

I

think

that's

part

of

the

reason

why

I

haven't

taken

a

shower

yet,

too,

because

I

haven't

really

been

used

to

taking

showers

regularly,

Regular.

Lindz

That

sounds

horrible.

Russ

Yeah,

it's.

This

house

is

stank.

Lindz

Well,

I

mean,

we

were

in

survival

mode

is

what

it

felt

like.

Russ

I'm

definitely

still

recovering.

Lindz

Yeah.

Russ

Still

very

tired.

Lindz

Yeah.

So

is

Kiddo.

She's

still

recovering,

but

she's.

She's

doing

well.

Russ

Yes.

Thankfully,

we're

keeping

our

activity

levels

to

a

minimum,

though,

just

because

pneumonia

messes

with

your

lungs

and

we

don't

want

to

overdo

it.

Plus,

we

don't

want

to

go

out.

Lindz

A

little

bit

of

latency

there,

but

it's

getting

hot

in

Florida.

Russ

Yeah.

This

year

is

supposed

to

be

a

very

wet

one.

Lindz

Wet

one.

Russ

Moist.

Lindz

I

didn't

heard

that.

I

heard

it

was

supposed

to

be

hot

again.

Meaning

like

the

Gulf

is

going

to

be

in

the

90s

again.

Russ

Well,

we're

getting.

What

is

it

called?

El

Nino.

Lindz

Right.

So

what

does

El

Nino

mean?

Russ

The

Nino?

Lindz

I

don't

know

what

it

means,

apparently.

I

was

just

curious

if

you

did.

I

think

it

has

something.

Russ

Why

would

you

ask

me

if

you

don't

know

what

it

means?

I

thought

I

was

gonna

learn

something

today.

Lindz

I

was

curious

if

you

had

looked

it

up

after

hearing

that

it

was

going

to

be

El

Nino.

But

I

think

it

has

something

to

do

with

the

water

bulge.

Like

it

like

bulges

on

the

earth

at

certain

points

and

it

makes

more.

Well,

I

don't

know.

Russ

So

it's

not.

The

Earth

isn't

perfectly

round.

It's

like

an

oval.

Lindz

No,

the

earth

is.

But

the

water

moves

like

based

upon

pool

gravitational.

I

don't

know.

I

could

be

totally

wrong.

We

need

Dennis

Phillips.

Dennis

Phillips

is

Central

Florida's

weatherman.

He

is

Tampa.

Russ

Yeah.

Lindz

No,

Central

Florida.

He

goes

from

Orlando

to

Tampa.

Russ

Right.

Lindz

He

covers

that

area.

Yeah,

we

love

him.

Russ

He

likes

one

of

my

meme

posts.

Lindz

You

felt

so

important.

Russ

So

I

did.

I

was

like,

I'm

about

to

be

famous.

And

the

podcast

didn't

do

anything.

Lindz

Oh,

stop.

Russ

I

want

to

see

if

we

can

get

him

on

here

one

day.

Lindz

Maybe

one

day.

But

one

of

the

things

about

Florida

is

you.

You

mentioned

that

the

water

doesn't

get

too

cold.

So

the

ice

cream

in

the

shower

is

important.

Yes,

but

solar

recovery.

Utilizing

solar

recovery.

Russ

I

think

it's

actually

called

solar

recover.

Lindz

Okay,

sorry.

Russ

I

don't

know

why.

I

just

want

to

be

clear.

Lindz

Thank

you

for

mansplaining.

Russ

Oh,

my

God.

That's

not

what

that

is.

We're

giving

advice

to

use

solar

recover

and

you're

saying

recovery

people

are

going

to

type

it

in.

I

can't

find

it.

I

got

third

degree

burns

and

I.

Lindz

Can'T

find

one

additional

letter.

Calm

down.

Russ

Yeah.

Lindz

So

the

solar

recover

stuff

is.

Comes

in

a

blue

bottle

and

you

can

get

it

on

Amazon

and

you

spray

it

on

your

skin

after

sunburn.

And

you're

not

supposed

to

peel

heel.

Right.

Like

all

the

bad

things

of

sunburn.

We

love

it.

Russ

I.

I

am

an

anti

snake

oil

person.

Like.

Like,

because

I

found

this

stuff.

I

can't

remember.

I

was

doing

research

because

when

I

get

sunburn,

I

get

hell's

itch.

Lindz

You're

pale.

Russ

Yeah,

I

am

pale.

You're

so

I

get

sunburned.

Lindz

Clear

skin

person.

Russ

I

get

sunburned

pretty

easy.

And

because

of

that,

I

have

always

tried

to

find

remedies

for

that

inevitable

time

that

I

do

get

burned,

which

is

all

the

time.

Lindz

Yep.

Anytime

we

go

outside.

Russ

Anytime

we

go

outside,

I

get

burned.

Well,

I

looked

it

up

on

Reddit

and

stuff,

and

people

were

like,

try

this

solar

recover

stuff.

It's

lotion

in

a

bottle

or

lotion

in

liquid

form

type

deal.

And

I

hate

lotion.

That

makes

me

feel

grimy.

But

anyway,

I

was

like,

all

right,

well,

I'm

desperate.

I

need

to

try

it

because

it

was

so

bad.

My

back

was

itching,

and

I

can't

scratch

that.

So

I

was

constantly

on,

like,

the

corners

of

the

house

and

stuff,

getting

after

it,

but

I

couldn't

sleep.

So

we

use

this

stuff

now,

and

it's

amazing.

Lindz

It

works.

And

this

is

not

an

ad.

We

are

not

getting

any

sort

of

monetization.

I

wish

we

were

right,

but

we

really

enjoy

that

stuff.

It.

Russ

I

like.

Lindz

It

works.

Russ

Yeah,

I

like

it

a

lot.

Lindz

One

of

the

things

you

just

said,

though,

is

that

you

don't

like

lotion.

This

is

like

a.

Oh,

this

should

be

a

quote.

White

people

say,

I

don't

like

lotion.

Russ

I

don't.

It's

the

worst

feeling

in

the

world.

It's

like,

I

don't

know

how.

So

you

take

a

shower,

you

get

out

of

the

shower,

and

you

immediately

put

lotion

on.

I'm

like,

head

to

toe.

I

just

got

in

the

shower

to

wash

off

all

the

muck.

Okay.

I'm

not

trying

to

get

out

of

the

shower

and

put

more

muck

on.

Lindz

Right.

But

everything

in

the

shower

is

drying

of

your

skin.

Russ

Keep

it

dry,

baby.

Well,

we're

in

Florida,

so

you

walk

out

of

the

shower

and

nothing's

dry.

Lindz

I

get

it.

There

is

high

humidity

in

Florida,

but

it

still

can

dry

out

your

skin,

all

the

things

that

you're

using

in

the

shower.

So

to

me,

it

feels

good

to

moisturize

when

you

get

out.

But

also,

you

solo

recover.

Russ

I

can't.

I

will

use

solar

recover

because

that

actually

does

not

feel

like

lotion.

It's

more

of,

like,

a

spray.

It's

very

fine

mist.

And

you

spray

it

on.

The

only

thing

that

I

would

wish

they

do

is

change

the

bottle

up

a

little

bit.

Lindz

Oh,

right.

Because

when

you

tilt

the

bottle.

Russ

Yeah.

Lindz

And

not

spray.

Right.

Russ

Yeah,

yeah.

Because,

I

mean,

you

get

sunburned

everywhere.

So

if

you're

trying

to

spray

yourself

on

the

back,

you

might

tip

it

wrong.

Lindz

Yeah.

Russ

And

you're

not

getting

any.

And

you

get

frustrated,

and

then

you

gotta

ask

somebody,

and

if

you're

not

around,

I

gotta

ask

our

kiddo.

And

she's

just.

Lindz

She's

short.

Russ

Yeah,

for

now.

And

it

smells

good.

And

it's

just

spraying

it

everywhere

like

that

shit's

expensive,

man.

Lindz

But

it's

good.

It's

good.

Along

the

lines

of

Florida,

there

is

a

new

song

out

all

about

Florida.

Russ

Who?

Lindz

Taylor

Swift.

Tay

Tay

made

a

song

and

it

literally

is

the

Florida

song,

I

think

is

what

title.

Russ

I

never

heard

it.

Lindz

We're

gonna

listen

to

it

and

I

want

your

real

time

reaction.

And

we're

back.

Russ

What

did

I

just

listen

to?

Lindz

Okay,

so

that's

your

reaction.

Russ

I

mean,

but

I

don't

know

it.

Okay.

Lindz

I

mean,

a

lot

of

people

seem

like

they

were

really

upset

by

that

song

for

the

way

that

she

portrayed

Florida.

And

she

mentions,

you

know,

smells

like

weed

and

little

babies

and

meaning

like

lotion,

suntan

lotion,

sunscreen.

Russ

Is

that

what

that

means?

Lindz

Yeah,

like

beach

bum,

the

baby

member.

Russ

Oh,

well,

I

mean,

what.

That's

not

a

bad

smell.

The

weed

is.

Lindz

Yeah,

I

don't

like

the

weed

smell.

But

so

they

were

saying,

you

know,

the

idea

that

she's,

you

know,

portraying

Florida

this

way,

and

the

Swifties

all

came

to

her

rescue

and

said

it

was

when

she

got

broken

up

with,

she

was

actually

in

Florida.

So

maybe

that's

why.

But.

Russ

Well,

it's.

It's

not.

I

don't

think

it's

talking

that

negative

about

Florida.

Lindz

I

don't

think

so

either.

Russ

Florida's

a.

What

is

it?

A

hell

of

a

drug

or

whatever.

I

mean,

drugs

are

addicting.

Lindz

Yeah.

Russ

So

I

don't.

It

seems

like

she

likes

it.

I

don't

know.

I

don't

see

anything

negative

other

than

the

weed

smell.

Lindz

Yeah.

I

mean,

and

then

Florence

in

the

Machine

is

on

that

thing,

that

song

too.

And

her

whole

thing

was

almost

like

using

euphemisms

for

Florida

life,

the

swamp

and

those

kind

of.

Those

pieces.

Right.

It's

like

more

of

a

metaphor

than

she

is

making

any

comments,

so.

Yeah,

I

don't

know

that.

I

totally

understand

the

outrage.

Russ

I

don't.

Lindz

Other

than

that

one.

One

line.

Russ

What

the.

Smells

like

weed

and

babies.

Lindz

Huh?

Russ

I

mean,

it's

kind

of

a

weird.

Lindz

Line

to

put

together.

Russ

I

mean,

if

you're

trying

to

say

it

smells

like

sunscreen,

then

just

say

it

smells

like

sunscreen.

Lindz

Oh,

okay.

You

don't

like

euphemisms

and

metaphors?

Russ

Smelling

like

babies

sounds

creepy

as

fuck.

Lindz

Okay,

okay,

I

agree.

But

I

mean,

a

lot

of

people

do

equate

the

smell

of

sunscreen

with

baby

smell.

Russ

I

equate

the

smell

of

sunscreen

to

the

beach.

Lindz

I

mean,

true.

Yeah.

Russ

I

don't

Know,

maybe

she

should

have

said

that

smell

of

the

beach.

Lindz

So

with

all

of

the

idea

of

the

stuff

that

she

laid

out

about

Florida.

Right.

One

of

the

things

that

a

lot

of

people

keep

bringing

up

about

Florida

is

gators.

The

gators

are

in

mating

season

right

now.

Russ

Wow.

Lindz

And

they're

walking

around.

Russ

Wow.

Lindz

And

everybody

keeps

playing

the

Jurassic

park

theme

song

to

gators.

You

know

that?

Russ

Yeah.

Yeah.

Lindz

And

they're

making

it

out

to

be

like,

gators

are

everywhere.

And

while

we

have

seen

our

fair

share,

I

think

while

living

here,

I

don't

think

that

they're

that

oftenly

seen.

Russ

I.

The

only

time

I

have

seen

one

is

when

I

go

fishing,

going

to

their

house.

So

I

would

expect

to

kind

of.

Lindz

Like

Kaylee

said

about

the

sharks.

Right.

Russ

Exactly.

If

I

go

bass

fishing

in

a

pond,

I

am

extra

vigilant

and

I

keep

an

eye

out.

That's

all.

Lindz

Well,

there

are

other

people

who

post

things

like,

omg.

It's

Wix.

He

does

a

lot

of

these.

Floridians

versus

non

Floridians.

And

non

Floridians

are

afraid.

Oh,

my

God.

And

to

be

honest,

before

we

moved

down

here,

I

watched

so

many

of

his

videos.

Russ

Yeah.

We

were

prepared.

Lindz

Yeah.

That

he.

I

feel

prepared

based

on

what

he

had

in

his

videos.

Yeah.

But

it

was

honestly

one

of

my

concerns.

But

I.

I

don't

think

it's

very

valid.

Russ

People

treat

a

lot

of

people.

The

vibe

I

get

is

pure

terror

from

people

about

gators.

Like,

they're

a

menace.

It's

like.

No,

they're

the

sign

of

a

healthy

and

thriving

ecosystem.

Lindz

Yep.

Russ

So

leave

them

the

hell

alone.

Like,

in

our

neighborhood,

people

will

call

animal

control

or

whatever

to

get

them

to

come

and

trap

them.

And

that

makes

me

super

upset.

Lindz

Yeah.

And

I

don't

know

if

it's

totally

true,

but

a

lot

of

people

say

that

once

you

call

on

a

gator,

they

are

killed.

Russ

I

don't

know.

Lindz

Trapped

and

killed.

Russ

There's

a.

There's

there's

huge

places

where

a

lot

of

them

get

dropped

off,

too,

though.

Lindz

Yeah.

Like

Circle

B

in

Lakeland.

Russ

Exactly.

There's

hundreds

and

hundreds

of

gators

there,

just

smashing

all

the

time,

making

little

gator

babies.

Lindz

Right.

Well,

I

think

one

of

the

things

that

I'm

more

afraid

of

about

Florida

is

the

people.

Russ

I.

I'm

not

did.

The

people

are

nuts,

man.

Lindz

Yeah.

They're

crazy.

But

there

was

a

couple

here

in

Florida

that

actually

taped

lottery

ticket

numbers

together

and

tried

to

turn

it

in.

Like,

they

won.

Russ

That's

not

a

bad

idea.

Lindz

Fucking

smart,

right?

Russ

Yeah.

Lindz

I

laughed

so

hard,

they

got

Caught.

Russ

Obviously

they

got

caught.

Lindz

Fraud,

possible

jail

time.

Like

they

got

cut.

But

I

was

like,

oh

my

God.

Dang,

how

has

nobody

ever

tried

that

before?

Russ

I'm

sure

they

have.

Lindz

Yeah.

Russ

I

think

they

need

to

get

a

little

bit

more

sophisticated.

Lindz

What

do

you

mean?

Russ

Try

to

like

use

fingernail

polish

and

erase

the

numbers

and

then

stamp

them

on

with

the

same

lettering

instead

of

cutting

and

pasting

them

together.

Lindz

Well,

I

don't

know

if

that's

exactly

what

they

did,

but

they.

I

was

going

to

say

they

put

the

numbers

together.

They

taped

numbers

together.

Russ

If

they

taped

them

together,

just

walk

yourself

to

jail.

Lindz

Right,

right.

I

wonder

if

this

is

totally

off

topic.

Well,

kind

of

on

topic.

I

wonder

if

AI

can

predict

lottery

drawings.

Russ

I'm

sure

you

could

ask

AI

for

statistics.

Like

what

is

the

most

likely

number?

Lindz

Oh

my

gosh.

Russ

We

should

try

it.

Won't

work.

Lindz

Okay,

fine.

Russ

I

think

that

I

can't

remember.

The

chances

of

winning

the

lottery

are

so

small,

it's

not

even

really

worth

playing.

Lindz

Well,

you

can

only

win

if

you

play

though.

Russ

Yeah,

but

it

doesn't

matter

how

many

people

play

because

it's

still,

what,

seven

numbers

or

whatever,

six

numbers.

So

the

odds

are

always

the

same,

but

it's

like

ridiculously

low.

Lindz

Interesting.

Russ

Just

buy

Bitcoin

and

slowly

win

the

lottery.

Lindz

Okay.

Yeah,

play

the

long

game

is

what

you're

saying.

Okay,

but

we

all

hate

being

poor,

right?

The,

the

economy

right

now.

Freaking

sad.

Russ

Yeah,

don't

get

me

started

on

that.

Lindz

Yeah,

but

I

feel

like

we've

really,

you

and

I,

we

really

need

to

be

careful

how

we

phrase

this

to

our

kiddo.

Like

we,

we

talk

about,

you

know,

finances

and

make

jokes

about

the

economy

right

now

and

how

the

middle

class

is

being

wiped

away.

And

we,

you

know,

we'll

say

we're

poor.

Help

me,

I'm

poor.

Kind

of

like

on

Bridesmaid

as

a.

Russ

Joke

sometimes

we

say

rightfully

so.

Like,

hey,

we're

not

going

to

go

out

to

eat

tonight

because

that's

too

expensive.

We

don't

have

the

money

right

now.

Lindz

Yeah,

sorry,

kiddo,

can't

have

sushi

tonight.

Russ

And

that's

not

the

only

thing

that

bugs

me

about

that

either

is

I

worry

about

her

when

she

becomes

an

adult

and

she

has

to

buy

her

own

house.

Lindz

Right.

The

housing

market

right

now,

a

lot

of

people

are

saying,

you

know,

you

almost

need

to

buy

a

house

for

your

kid

if

you

can.

Russ

Right.

Lindz

So

that

way

when

they

do

turn

18,

they

have

one

that's

in.

Russ

It's.

It's

mind

bogglingly

ridiculous.

Like

wages

have

not

gone

up

for

anything.

But

the

housing

market

is

crazy.

It's

nuts.

Lindz

Right?

Russ

We

had

a

two

bedroom

house

in

Virginia.

Lindz

A

two

bedroom

townhouse.

Russ

Two

bedroom

townhouse,

1200

square

feet,

one

full

bath.

That

was

our

starter

home.

Now

I'm

super

glad

we

bought

it.

Lindz

It

was

a

short

sale,

so

it

was.

Russ

We

got

a

good

price.

Lindz

Yep.

Russ

That

same

house

that

we

bought

back

then,

we

bought

for

200,000.

Lindz

Yep.

Russ

It's

now

worth

460,000.

Lindz

It

makes

zero

row

sense.

Russ

Two

bedroom,

one

full

bath.

Lindz

I

don't

understand.

Russ

I.

I

can't

even

wrap

my

head

around

why

that's

worth

that

much.

Lindz

The

only

thing

I

can

think

of

is

because

Amazon

is

moving

into

the

D.C.

area.

Russ

It's

still,

it's

still

the

same

house

is

what

we

had.

Lindz

I

know.

Russ

It

doesn't

matter,

right?

Lindz

The

drywall,

the

lumber,

the.

All

the

things

that

make

up

that

house

may

not

be

of

value,

but

it's

the

location.

Russ

I

just

don't

understand

that

at

all.

Because

it's

still.

You're

still

pricing

out

90

for

95

of

the

people

that

live

there.

Like

all

the

teenagers

and

stuff

that

work

at,

you

know,

your

grocery

stores

that

are

bagging

groceries

right

now

because

they're

in

high

school.

How

the

hell

are

they

going

to

buy

anything?

Lindz

Yep.

Russ

My

dad

bought

a

house

when

he

was

our

age

or

younger.

But

you

know,

by

himself.

On

a

single

income.

Lindz

In

the

early

90s.

Russ

In

the

early

90s.

On

a

single

income

with

me

as

a

kid.

So

he's

able

to

do

that.

But

nowadays

you,

you

would

have

to

buy

a

house

with

a

family

of

76

working

to

pay

for

the

freaking

mortgage.

Lindz

Gotcha.

Or

have

roommates.

Right.

You

would

have

to

have

people

to

live

with

you.

Russ

But

even

then

it's

like,

do

you

really

want

to

go

into

that

territory

where

you're

splitting

a

mortgage

with

roommates

that

gets

kind

of

sketchy?

The

only

way

is

to

rent.

That's

not

right.

Lindz

And

renting

is

a

hard

hole

to

get

out

of

because

you

are

constantly

putting

your

paycheck

towards

a

somebody

else's

bank.

Right.

A

cost

that

you

will

never

recuperate.

Meaning

you're

not

going

to

get

equity

into

your

apartment.

Russ

No.

Lindz

You

are

never

going

to

gain

more

than

what

you

are

putting

in.

Russ

Nope.

There's

no,

there's

no,

it's

not.

Renting

is

not

an

investment.

Lindz

Right.

Russ

There's

some

benefits

to

renting,

I

will

admit.

Like

not

worrying

about

maintenance.

And

it's

not

your

house

of

your

appliance

breaks.

You

just

call

somebody,

but

you

don't

gain

anything

out

of

it.

It's

a

money

sink.

Absolutely.

Lindz

Well,

speaking

of

things

that

are

sad,

you

and

I

had

a

discussion

about

prison

and

jail

and

whose

responsibility

it

is

to

take

care

of

these

inmates

while

they

are

incarcerated.

Russ

Oh

yeah,

I

remember

this

conversation.

Lindz

We

put

a

pause

on

it

because

this

is

a

really

interesting

topic

to

think

about.

So

there

are

a

couple

of

specials

on

Netflix.

There's

a

couple

of

shows

out

there

like,

what

is

it,

60

days

and

you

know,

all

of

these

different

shows

that

give

light

to

incarceration.

So

we

started

talking

about

whose

responsibility

is

it

if

someone

were

to

be

injured

and,

or

killed

while

they

were

incarcerated?

Is

it

the

jail's

responsibility?

Should

the

family

be

able

to

hold

a

jail

responsible

for

any

accidents

that

happen

to

those

family

members?

So

I,

and

we

went

off

onto

another

topic

too.

But

let's

start

there

first.

So

whose

responsibility

is

it

to

protect

the

individuals

in

the

jail?

Russ

The

municipality

that

the

person

is

being

held

by?

Lindz

So

the

county,

or

if

you're

in.

Russ

A

state

prison

or

a

federal

prison?

Whoever

it

is,

whoever's

responsible,

whoever's

putting

you

in

jail

should

be

responsible

for

your

safety

because

they

strip

you

of

everything.

Lindz

Right.

Russ

You

have

nothing

to

protect

yourself

with.

Lindz

So

not

individual

deputies

or

people

who

were

there

at

the

time

should

be

held

accountable.

Russ

Maybe

it

depends

on

if

they're

being

negligent

or

whatever.

Like,

I

don't

know

if

it's

a

one

on

one

fight.

Obviously

it's

not

a

riot

because

it's

hard

to.

Right,

It's

a

freaking

riot.

It's

like,

okay,

what

the

heck

am

I

supposed

to

do?

I'm

one

guy.

But

if

it's

a

one

on

one

fight

and

there's

guards

there,

Obviously

there

are

24

hours

a

day,

they

should

be

able

to

step

in

and

stop

that

fight

and

stop

that

thing

from

getting

too

rowdy.

Lindz

Yeah.

Russ

And

if,

Yeah,

I

don't

know.

I

don't

know.

It's

a,

it's

a

weird

and

difficult

situation

to

be

in

because

that

stuff

can

happen

like

that.

But

if

you

get

hurt

while

you're

being

held

there,

how

can

you

not

say

it's

on

them?

Lindz

Not

say

that

it's

on

the

county

or

on

the

deputy?

Russ

Which

one?

The,

the

local

government?

The

government,

whoever's

holding

you.

Lindz

Okay,

so

my

thought

process

on

this,

and

I've

been

watching,

I,

I

like

60

days

in.

I

think

it's

an

interesting

show.

Some

of

the

other

things

that

are

on

Netflix,

I,

I

like

watching

it.

And

one

of

the

things

that

they

have

pointed

out

and

whether

this

is

just

for

the

show

to

make

it

interesting

or

if

it's

real

life.

Right.

They

say

that

they

will

put,

you

know,

up

to

20,

maybe

more

people

in

one

block,

one

cell

block.

Right,

right.

And

there

will

be

checks

by

the

guards

at

random

and.

Or

certain

intervals.

It's

not

that

in

most

cases,

it's

not

that

there

is

a

guard

that

actually

sits

in

the

block.

So

to

me,

even

that

one,

One

guard,

that

one

person

who

is

there

saying

that

you

could

hold

that

deputy

responsible.

I

don't

think

it

should

be

the

specific

person.

Russ

I.

It

depends.

It

depends

on

their

action

because

there's

cameras

everywhere.

Lindz

True.

Russ

Right.

So

if

these

two

dudes

are

throwing

down

and

somebody's

getting

their

ass

beat

and

nobody

shows

up,

oh,

you're

done.

Lindz

Right.

But

even

if

somebody,

that

deputy

who's

on

the

block

say

they're

there

and

they

do

try

to

intervene,

but

there's

other

inmates

around,

like

it

could

quickly

become

inmates

against

that

one

guard.

Russ

I

understand.

Lindz

So

a

lot

of

times

they

do

wait

and

they

do

call

for

backup.

That

way

they

aren't

the

only

ones

responding

to

an

incident.

Russ

How

far

is

backup

away?

It

should

be

a

bunch

of

people

in

that

place.

Lindz

Should

be.

Absolutely

should

be.

Russ

Okay,

well.

Lindz

But

a

lot

of

these

places

are

understaffed,

just

like

the

rest

of

the

world

right

now.

Russ

And

how

the

hell

are

they

understaffed?

Lindz

Something

like

that.

Right.

But

it's

a

hard

job.

It's

not

a

job

that

many

people

want.

It's

kind

of

scary,

to

be

honest.

You're

in

there

with

a

bunch

of

people

who

don't

want

to

be

in

there.

Russ

Well,

yeah,

I

don't

know.

I.

People

are

in

prison

for

things

that.

It

doesn't

necessarily

mean

they're

a

piece

of

garbage.

Lindz

True.

Russ

Right.

They

were

in

the

wrong

place

at

the

wrong

time.

Right?

Lindz

Yep.

So

you

have

white

collar

crimes

versus

something

a

little

more

heinous

or.

Russ

Yeah,

but

not

everybody

in

there

is

a

murderer.

And

say

your

dad

goes

in

there

because

he.

He

saw

a

girl

getting

beat

up

and

he

took

it,

took

matters

into

his

own

hands,

put

the

guy

in

the

headlock

or

whatever

and

the

guy

died.

But

he's

in

jail

for

that

now.

Lindz

Right.

Russ

And

he

gets

killed

in

jail.

You.

You're

going

to

be

pissed.

Lindz

Well,

of

course.

Russ

So

it's

on

them.

They

should

have

to

do

something

for

you.

Lindz

Define

them

though,

because

this

is

where

I

think

you

and

I

differ

them

to

me

absolutely

is

right.

Whoever,

whoever

state,

county,

whatever

municipality

is

holding

that

person.

Yes,

I

agree

with

that.

I

don't

necessarily

agree

with

it

being

the

deputy,

unless,

like

you

said,

for

negligence.

Russ

Yeah,

that's

What

I'm

saying,

if

it's

negligence,

like

they're,

like

if

they're

caught

on

camera

rooting

it

on

or

something

like

that.

You

know

what

I

mean?

Lindz

Well,

Orange

is

the

New

Black

was

a

really

good

show

back

in

the

day.

And

one

of

the

episodes,

one

of

the

women

who

were

incarcerated,

the

deputy

put

his

knee

on

her

and

held

her

down

and

essentially

crushed

her.

She

had.

Russ

Yep.

Lindz

He

should.

Absolutely.

100.

I

mean,

this

is

a

show,

obviously,

but.

Russ

Yeah,

yeah,

sure.

Lindz

It

derives

from

some

truth

somewhere,

but

something

like

that.

Absolutely.

That

deputy

should

be

held

responsible.

Russ

Yeah.

Lindz

But

overall,

I

think

saying

that

if

a

deputy

doesn't

respond

right

away,

it

depends

on

the

situation.

Right.

Russ

Yeah.

Every.

There's

a

lot

of

gray

area

there.

Clearly,

if

the

deputy

is

being

placed.

Lindz

Saying

deputy,

I

don't

know

what

other

term

to

use.

Russ

Yeah,

whoever.

If

they're

being

placed

in

a

super

unsafe

situation

for

everybody,

then

yeah,

maybe

they

do

need

to

wait.

But

a

lot

of

that

stuff,

it's

still

the

state,

local,

county,

federal.

It's

their

responsibility

to

make

sure

you're

safe

because

they're

putting

you

there.

Obviously,

you'd.

Well,

not

obviously,

but

the

people

in

there

most

likely

did

something

wrong

and

they

still

are

alive.

They're

still

humans.

Lindz

Absolutely.

Russ

So

they.

And

you're

stripping

them

of

everything,

all

their

stuff,

all

their

belongings.

They

have

no

way

to

protect

themselves.

So

it's

your

job

to

protect

them.

Yeah,

and

I

feel

the

same

way.

This

is

kind

of

going

off

on

a

weird

tangent,

but

if

a

place

decides

to

say

no

firearms,

let's

just.

This

is

just

an

example.

And

an

example

of

this

was

the

Colorado

shooting

at

the

movie

theater.

I

believe

they

had

no

weapon

signs

to

me,

if

you

are

going

to

take

away

my

right

to

protect

myself,

you

have

to

protect

me

by

providing.

Lindz

People

who

are

armed.

Russ

Yes.

Correct.

A

security

guard,

security

officer,

something

of

that

nature.

You

should

have

to

protect

us

because

you're.

You're

taking

that

away

from

me.

You

know,

you're

taking

the

responsibility

of

my

protection

away

and

you're

not

allowing

me

to

do

it,

so

you

need

to

provide

it

to

me.

Lindz

Right.

Russ

So

something

like

this,

if

it

does

happen,

somebody

can

intervene.

Lindz

Right.

Russ

Because

if

not,

we're

all

just

sitting

ducks.

Lindz

Yep.

Russ

I

feel

the

same

way

about

schools.

Schools

should

have

SROs.

SROs.

And

if

a

teacher

wants

to

go

through

rigorous

training

and

mental

evaluations

and

things

of

that

nature,

why

not?

Lindz

I'm

glad

you

said

mental

evaluations

because

that

was

the

other

topic

that

we

kind

of

got

into

with

the

whole

idea

of

responsibility

for

jails.

We

started

talking

about

the

idea

of

someone

who

commits

a

crime

in

the

jail

that

they

go

to,

versus

should

there

also

then

be

a

mental

health

jail?

So

to

me,

I

think

there

needs

to

be

a

separation.

There

needs

to

be

a

separation

from

people

who

perform

crimes

and

are

mentally

evaluated

and

found

stable.

Right?

Russ

Yeah,

yeah.

Lindz

Versus

people

who

have

clear

mental

health

disorders.

Mental

health

issues.

Russ

Yeah.

You

can't

really

put

group

those

people

together

if

they're

hearing

things

and

they

hurt

someone

out

of

something

they

heard

in

their

head.

Lindz

Right.

Russ

That's

sketchy.

Lindz

Yeah.

I

think

there

has

to

be

a

separation

right

now.

The

world

we

live

in,

there's

not

enough

emphasis

on

people

who

are

struggling

with

mental

health.

Russ

Oh,

yeah.

Lindz

And

we

just

lump

them

in

with

everybody

else

and

say,

figure

it

out.

Right.

Russ

I

know

that

doesn't

do

anything.

There's

no.

So

jail

is

supposed

to

be

a

punishment,

but

that

you

come

back

from.

Lindz

You

get

released,

you're

supposed

to

be

rehabilitated.

Russ

Yeah,

you're

rehabilitated

when

you're

released.

But

somebody

with

mental

disorders

like

that,

that

make

them

hear

see

things,

it's

like,

that's

not

gonna

do

anything.

Lindz

Right.

Incarceration

does

nothing.

Russ

It

might

actually

make

it

worse.

Lindz

Well,

again,

this

is

based

on

the

Netflix

shows

that

I

watch,

but

they

do

provide

medicine

for

individuals.

Russ

That's

not

enough.

Lindz

Right.

As

we

know

very

clearly,

medicine

is

not

the

end

all,

be

all.

Russ

No,

it's

a

50.

My.

One

of

my

doctors

said

medicine

plus

therapy,

two

sides

of

a

coin.

You

need

both.

Lindz

Yep.

Russ

A

hundred

percent.

And

you

have

to,

you

use

medicine

to

help,

but

you

also

use

therapy

to

teach

yourself

how

to

deal

and

cope.

Lindz

Right.

And

the

person,

if

they

do

leave

the

jail,

prison,

post,

whatever

their

punishment

was,

that's

not

to

say

that

they're

going

to

continue

being

on

that

medicine

when

they

leave.

Russ

No,

especially

if

they,

I

mean,

they

might

not

have

a

job

now

because

they

were

in

prison,

so

they

don't

have

insurance.

And

it's.

It's

an

effort

that

they

have

to

take

to

go

get

medicine.

Lindz

Right.

Russ

To

go

to

a

doctor,

have

to

get

a

prescription,

blah,

blah,

blah,

blah,

blah.

Lindz

It's

almost

like

there

needs

to

be

two

tracks.

There

needs

to

be

a

track

for

the

person

who

is

found

mentally

stable

and

committed

a

crime.

Okay,

go

rehabilitate.

Then

you

have

another

track

that,

okay,

this

person

is

found

not

mentally

stable,

needs

mental

health

and

medication,

and

they

almost

get

like

a

probation

officer

after

they're

released.

But

it's

like

a

mental

health

professional

and

they

maintain

their

medicine,

they

maintain

their

therapy.

Right.

Russ

And

maybe

that

Mental

health

officer

says,

did

you

go

to

the

doctor

today?

No.

All

right,

well,

I

got

to

send

you

back.

Lindz

Exactly.

Russ

You

know,

I

got.

I

got

to.

You

have

to

go

back.

You're

not

being

responsible.

You're

not

treating

your

life

now

as

you

have

been

rehabilitated.

Lindz

Exactly.

Russ

You

have

to

take

responsibility.

Lindz

Just

like

someone

who.

Right.

Who

committed

a

crime

was

rehabilitated,

has

a

probation

officer.

They

start

sliding

back.

Russ

They

go

back.

Lindz

Exactly.

Russ

That's

what

that

off

probation

officer

is

for.

And

they.

I

mean,

when

I

went

to

the

mental

hospital,

they

gave

me

a

huge

to

do

list

after

I

left

there.

Lindz

Yep.

Russ

And.

But

they

weren't.

They.

Obviously

I

didn't

have

like

a

probation

officer

because

it

wasn't

jail.

But

I

can

see

them

reflecting

that

in

a

mental

like

jail.

Lindz

I

mean,

assuming

the

person

committed

a

crime

but

they

are

mentally

unstable.

Russ

Yes.

If

you

go

to

jail

and

you

are

mentally

unstable

and

they've

determined

it

by

psych,

psychiatric

evaluation,

things

of

that

nature,

then

yeah.

I

think

that

you

should

have

somebody

to

help

hold

you

accountable.

And

if

you

aren't

doing

it,

then

you're

not

showing

that

you

were

rehabilitated.

Lindz

Yep.

Russ

And

you

are

provided,

you

know,

a

psychologist.

Psychiatric

help

within

the

mental

health

jail.

I

don't

know.

I

think

they

should

do

things

like

that

because

addiction

is

another

one.

That's

a

mental

disorder

too.

Lindz

What

we

talked

about

with

the

psychedelic

episode.

Yep.

When

we

were

talking

about

how

addiction

is

something

that

potentially

could

be

cur.

Cured

with

psychedelics,

but

something

that

does

impact

mental

health

and

livelihood.

Russ

Well,

when

I

was

in

that

mental

health

hospital,

I

was

also

there

amongst

people

who

were

addicted

to

substances.

And

we

all.

The

human

brain

is

so

complex.

Lindz

Right.

Russ

That

sometimes

we

need

a

little

help

understanding

what's

going

on

up

there.

And

it's

okay.

That's

what

other.

That's

the

other

thing

people

need

to

understand.

It's

okay.

Lindz

Yep.

Russ

Go

ask

for

help.

But

maybe

people

that

are

in

jail

for

doing

drugs,

they

need

a

little

bit

more

help

via

therapy

then

cold

turkey

and

almonds

like

that.

Lindz

Because

that

makes

it

worse

of

withdrawal

for

some

of

these

people.

Russ

They

can

die.

Lindz

Yeah.

It's

bad.

And

you're

putting

them

in

there

with

people

who

are

not

addicted

and

they

have

to

bunk

with

this

person

and

go

through

the

experience

of

withdrawal

with

their

bunk

mate.

Russ

Yeah.

I

mean,

it's

traumatic.

Lindz

It's

crazy.

Russ

I

was

in

that

hospital

and

my

bunk

mate

was

an

addict.

It

was

an

alcoholic,

major

alcoholic.

And

he

was

given

benzos

while

we

were

there

so

that

he

didn't

die

from

withdrawal

because

he

Was

so

far

gone.

He

would

take.

They

would

give

him.

Obviously,

they

would

tailor

it

off,

but

they

were

giving

him

benzos.

So

his

body

got

that

fix

and

slowly

weaned

him

off

instead

of

saying,

all

right,

you're

on

your

own,

bro.

You're

in

jail

now.

You're

not

getting

nothing.

That's

messed

up,

man,

because

that

will

kill

you.

Withdrawals

can

kill

you.

It

has

killed

people,

especially

alcohol

withdrawals.

Lindz

I

was

smiling

when

you

said

Benzo,

because

if

we

call

our

cat

that,

his

name

is

Benny,

we

call

him

Pinzo,

but.

Yeah.

So

I

think

where

I

also

go

with

our

most

recent

mental

health

discussions

that

you

and

I

have

been

having

is

recently

within

our

neighborhood,

we

experienced

a

teenage

suicide.

Russ

Yeah.

Lindz

And

it

impacted

a

lot

of

people,

obviously,

throughout

our

neighborhood.

And

this

teen

was

a

teen

that

actually

played

soccer

with

our

kiddo.

And

so

we

knew

of

him.

I

mean,

we

weren't

close,

obviously,

but.

Russ

We

weren't

really

friends

with

him

or

his

family

or

anything.

But

it's

still

something

that

you're

like,

man,

what

is

happening

Right.

In

this

world

to

where

somebody

so

young

feels

hopeless.

Lindz

Yep.

Russ

Like

that.

That's

not

good.

Lindz

Right.

Russ

I

don't.

I

don't

know

what

we

can

do

like

that.

There's

just

a

lack

of

resources,

I

think,

towards

this,

especially

with

kids

in

schools

and

stuff.

They

need.

They

need

a

lot

more

help

than

we

did,

I

think,

when

we

were

younger.

Lindz

Absolutely.

The

world

they

live

in

is

totally

different

from

even

the

world

we

grew

up

in.

I

mean,

we're

millennials.

Russ

They.

I

mean,

they

can't

turn

it

off

after

school,

like

we

could.

Lindz

Yep.

Russ

We

go

outside

and

play.

Lindz

Yep.

Russ

They

have

tablets

and

Facebook

and

Snapchat

that

they

get

bullied

on

24

hours

a

day.

Lindz

Yep.

Russ

It's

so

screwed

up

now.

Lindz

And

what

you

said

is

true.

I

think

the

idea

of

the

two

tracks

for

jail,

it

almost

needs

to

be

two

tracks

in

school,

too.

Russ

They

just

need

to

be

made

more

aware

of

this

stuff.

It's

okay.

Lindz

The

parents

responsibility

should

be

to

be

able

to

identify

these

moments

that

these

kids

are

having

where

they're

depressed

or

low,

or

identify

a

change

in

your

child's

mental

health.

Right.

As

well

as

the

school

needs

to

have

more

resources

for

when

this

is

identified.

Russ

Right,

right,

right.

Lindz

And

what

to

do,

how

to

respond.

And

if

a

child

reaches

out,

that's

one

thing.

But

most

of

the

time,

people

think

there's

no

help.

Right.

Most

of

the

time,

people

feel

helpless,

hopeless.

And

that's

what

leads

to

things

like

suicide.

And

to

me,

it's

just

there

has

to

Be

a

way

to

get

A,

these

kids

to

know

how

to

reach

out,

who

to

reach

out

to,

what

resources

are

available

for

how

they're

feeling,

and

then

B,

adults

to

be

involved.

Russ

Yeah.

Lindz

And

be

able

to

provide

such

resources.

Russ

Yeah.

The.

I.

I

don't

know.

The

parenting

thing

bugs

me,

too.

It's

like,

how

do

you

not

see

things

that

are

happening?

But

I

guess

a

lot

of

people

are

just

so

hands

off.

Lindz

Well,

a

lot

of

people,

they

just

put

the

tablet

in

front

of

them.

Russ

Yeah.

Lindz

I

mean,

it's

sad.

Russ

It's

no

good.

It's

no

good.

And

these.

I

mean,

like

I

said,

this

is

a

young

kid

and

he

committed

suicide.

Lindz

Yep.

Russ

That's

nuts

to

me.

Lindz

A

teenager.

Yeah.

So

young.

Russ

And

I'm

talking

middle

school

teenager,

not

high

school

teenager.

Lindz

Right.

Russ

We'll

just

funnel

it

down

a

little

bit.

But

it's.

It's

terrifying

to

me.

Lindz

Yep.

I

wonder

if

he

had

given

some

reach

out,

like

if

he

reached

out

to

anybody

or

if

anyone

identified

it,

you

know,

like,

there's

always

the

what

ifs,

I

guess,

but

it

just

makes

you

think.

Russ

I

know,

I

know.

But

knowing

that

he

was

that

hopeless

to

go

through

with,

you

know,

that

final

act

is

terrible.

It's

so

sad

because

it

doesn't.

You

don't

just.

I

don't

think

that's

something

that

happens

overnight.

Lindz

No.

For

sure.

Russ

That's

trauma

over

a

long

period

of

time.

Lindz

Well,

like

we

talked

about

with

you

and

with

anybody

that

we've

had

on

the

podcast

related

to

mental

health,

it's.

They

come

to

a

breaking

point.

Right.

Everybody

comes

to

a

breaking

point.

And

some

people

think

the

Lord

are

able

to

come

out

of

it,

find

help,

get

resources.

And

some

people

don't.

Russ

Yeah.

Some

people,

they

think

that

their

breaking

point

is

the

end

and

they

do

something

that

they

can't

come

back

from.

Lindz

Yep.

Russ

And

that

sucks

because

all

of

this

is

preventable.

That's

the

thing.

Like,

there

are

a

lot

of

resources.

But

I

don't.

I

just

feel

like

these

kids

don't

know

about

them.

Well,

especially

sure.

If

they.

Their

home

life

might

not

be

the

best.

Lindz

Right.

Russ

Mom?

I'm

not

feeling

really.

I

feel

kind

of

sad

today.

And

there's

like,

oh,

you're

just

going

through

something.

It's

like.

No,

no,

no.

You

need

to

take

that

seriously.

Lindz

Yep.

Not

to

say

that's

what

happened.

Russ

No,

no,

no,

no,

no.

Lindz

Right.

Russ

I'm

just.

Lindz

I

know

what

you

mean.

Russ

In

general,

like,

pay

attention

to

your

daggone

kids.

Lindz

Yep.

Russ

If

they

call

out

for

help,

it's

your

job

to

answer

it.

You're

their

Parent.

Lindz

I

mean,

I

really

do

hope

that

they're.

You

know,

we

talked

about

all

this

research

that's

happening

with

psychedelics.

I

really

do

hope

that

if

there

is

some

clear

indication

that

this

is

a

cure,

that

it

can

be

used

for

kids

too.

I

mean,

I

know

psychedelics

is

a

touchy

subject

for

a

lot

of

people.

Russ

But

it's

a

touchy

subject

when

you're

dropping,

you

know,

a

magic

mushroom

that

you

got

off

the

street.

If

you

do

it

in

a

medical,

medical

environment

with

X

dose,

to

me,

that

shouldn't

be

touchy.

It's

just

like

anything

else.

Lindz

Right.

Russ

It's

just

like

getting

an

iv.

Lindz

Well,

I

really

do

believe,

and

I

forget

which

doctor

said

this,

but

I

really

do

believe

that

everything

that

we

need

in

order

to

heal

ourselves

of

any

ailment

is

on

this

planet.

Russ

I

agree.

Lindz

I

believe

there

are

plants

and

herbs

and

all

the

things

that

we

need

on

this

planet

already.

Russ

Yep.

Lindz

So

psychedelics

to

me,

sounds

promising

because

they

are

naturally

occurring.

Russ

Yep.

And

if

they

can

reduce

down

the

dose

and

really

fine

tune

the

dose

you

get

so

you're

not

just

like,

I

hope

this

one's

not

too

strong,

you

know,

it's

worth

looking

at.

Lindz

I

think

I

agree.

And

it

was

interesting.

Russ

None

of

this

is

medical

advice.

Lindz

No,

dude.

God,

we're

not

that

smart.

Russ

We're

not

doctors

here.

Lindz

Right.

But

it

was

brought

to

my

attention

that

it

may

be

against

religion

to

use

psychedelics.

I'm

like,

why?

Russ

Well,

there's.

Lindz

Okay,

if

we

created

this

in

a

lab,

maybe

it

could

be

considered

a

synthetic

drug

and

against

religion.

But

it

grows

on

the

earth.

Russ

I

don't

know.

I.

Lindz

God

put

it

here.

Russ

Right.

There's

things

that

I

just

don't

understand

why

people

would

want

to

hamper

themselves

if

it,

if

it

could

help,

like

somebody

with

major,

major

depression.

Tried

everything,

you

know,

tried

therapy,

tried

Zoloft,

whatever,

antidepressants,

anything

like

that.

They

tried

everything.

And

psychedelics,

they

were

like,

hey,

this

is

a

new

upcoming

thing,

we

want

to

let

you

try

it.

And

they

say,

no,

it's

against

my

religion.

Come

on.

I'm

sorry,

I

respect

your

religion

and

everything,

but

try

to

get

better.

Lindz

Yeah,

I

mean,

I

think.

Russ

We're

not

saying

drop

acid.

That's,

that's

the

thing.

We're

not

saying

do

drugs.

It's

not

a

drug

at

that

point.

Lindz

Well,

right,

so,

I

mean,

it's

a

prescription

drug.

Any

type

of

drug

or

alcohol

or

whatever.

It's

all

about

gluttony.

Right.

Gluttony

is

one

of

the

seven

deadly

sins.

Okay,

fine.

We

can

get

on

that

track.

Russ

Yeah.

Lindz

But

if

you're

utilizing

something

that

grows

naturally

was

put

on

this

earth

to

help

you.

Right.

To

help

you

live

to

see

tomorrow.

Russ

Yes.

Lindz

Then

why

I

don't

see

that

being

against

religion.

Russ

You're

not

dropping

acid

to

trip

balls

and

go

to

Dragon

World

and

fly

around

on

dragons.

Lindz

Dragon

World.

Russ

I

don't

know.

But

you're

doing

it

to

hopefully

open

your

mind

up

and

maybe

enhance

and

remove

some

bad

neural

pathways.

Lindz

Right?

Russ

I

don't

know

how

all

this

exactly

works.

I'm

not

a

scientist.

But

from

what

I've

read

and

heard,

it's.

That's

part

of

it.

Lindz

Absolutely.

Yeah.

Russ

It's

like

a

self

discovery

journey.

And

it

helps

you

kind

of

like

reset

your

pathways.

Yeah,

reset

your

pathways.

And

you're

like,

man,

why

am

I

depressed

about

that?

That

is

dumb.

Look

how

big

everything

is.

You

know,

things

of

that

nature.

But

I

respect

religion.

I'm

not

going

to

pretend

like

I'm

super

religious,

but

I

just

feel

as

if

you

are

that

down

or

depressed

or

that

ocd.

Why

not

give

it

a

shot,

you

know?

Lindz

Absolutely.

Russ

You're

not

doing

drugs

at

that

point.

Lindz

Right?

Russ

Prescriptions

are

drugs.

Lindz

Right.

Russ

But.

Lindz

And

can

be

used

as.

Russ

Yeah.

Benzos

are

one

of

them.

Lindz

They

are

poor

cat.

Russ

They

can

actually

kill

you

if

you

withdraw

too

fast.

That's

so

crazy.

Lindz

Well,

staying

on

this

idea

of

religion.

What

do

you

want

done

with

you

when

you

die?

Russ

What

do

I

want

done?

Lindz

Yeah,

what

do

you

want

done

with

your

body

that

is

left

on

this

planet?

Russ

So

my.

Lindz

When

you.

Russ

When

you

die,

my

shell

that

is

left

here.

I

want

you

to

rent

a

boat.

Lindz

Okay.

Russ

Put

my

feet

in

concrete

blocks.

Lindz

Wait,

so

you're.

You're

intact?

Russ

Yeah.

Anything

else

is

too

expensive.

Lindz

Okay,

so

as

is.

Except

your

soul

has

left

your

body.

Russ

We

just

talked

to

one

of

family

acquaintance

and

how

much

did

they

say

a

funeral

was?

Lindz

Oh

yeah.

Russ

25,

$30,000.

Lindz

It

was

up

there.

Yeah.

It

was

high.

Thousands.

Like

tens

of

thousands.

Yeah.

Russ

I

want

you

to

save

that

money.

Lindz

Okay.

Russ

Go

to

Lowe's.

Lindz

Assuming

that

you

go

first.

Russ

I'm

going

to.

Lindz

Okay.

All

right.

Russ

I

want

you

to

go

to

Lowe's,

buy

two

5

gallon

buckets

and

quick

crete.

Pour

that

into

buckets.

Put

my

legs

in

there

and

throw

my

ass

in

the

Gulf

of

Mexico.

That's

it.

Lindz

Okay.

So

I

have

to.

Weekend

at

Bernie's.

You

hold

you

up.

Oh,

he's

sleeping.

He's

sleeping.

Russ

You

just

go.

You

just

get.

Go,

get.

Go

rent

a

boat.

Nobody's

gonna

go

out

with

you.

Lindz

How

am

I

gonna

get

your

body

into

a

boat?

Russ

You

got

a

duffel

bag

full

of

fishing

stuff.

I'm

going

fishing

and

I

gotta

carry.

Lindz

You

on

a

duffel.

This

is

getting

way

too

creepy.

Like,

somebody's

gonna

think

that

I

did

it,

that

I

offed

you.

Russ

No,

the

only

reason

why

I'm

saying

to

put

my

feet

in

the

concrete.

Lindz

Is

so

you

sink.

Russ

Yeah.

Yeah.

Because,

you

know,

we.

I

think

we

float.

Lindz

Yeah.

Russ

That's

gross.

Lindz

Yeah.

And

somebody

would

find

you.

Oh,

my

God.

He

got

dumped.

Russ

Yeah.

So

if

you

sink

me

to

the

bottom,

at

least,

like,

I'm

part

of

the

earth

now,

the

wildlife

will

start

chewing

on

me

and

all

that

stuff,

and

there'll

be

nothing

left.

Honestly,

that's

what

we

should

do.

I'm

not

paying

30

grand

to

get

put

in

a

box

to

be

put

in

the

ground.

Just

buy

me

some

25

Quikrete

and

some

buckets.

Lindz

I

can't.

My

girlfriend

is

this.

Russ

Is

this.

Is

this

appropriate?

Lindz

One

of

my

friends

and

we.

I

feel

like

it

is

a

dark

topic,

right?

But

that

it

is

kind

of

the

humor

between

me

and

one

of

my

girlfriends,

and

she

said

what

she

wants

done

with

her

is

you

put

her

body

in

compost.

And

you.

You

can

actually

pay

to

have

this

done.

Russ

See,

but

why

would

you

pay?

Lindz

I

know.

I

hear

you.

But

you

become

compost.

They

keep

turning

you

after

you're,

you

know,

gone.

Russ

And

that's

so

creepy.

Lindz

You

talk

about

going

back

to

the

earth,

right?

You're

compost.

Russ

But

I

just

said

that's

creepy

while

I

just

gave

you

in

a

murderer

playbook.

Oh,

my

gosh.

Lindz

But

then

I

was

watching.

Oh,

crap.

I

was

watching

some

show

and

they

talked

about

how,

oh,

someone

sued

Mountain

Dew

because

they

found

a

rat

in

the

Mountain

Dew.

Right?

Russ

Yeah.

Lindz

Right.

Russ

But

their.

Their

defense

was

they

won

the

case.

Lindz

Mountain

Dew

won

the

case.

Because

their

defense

was

that

rat

would

have

dissolved

before

it

ever

got

to

a

consumer.

Before

it

even

left

the

factory.

It

would

have

dissolved.

Russ

That's

nasty.

Lindz

So

that's

what

I

told

my

girlfriend

that

I

want.

Just

get

a

bunch

of

Mountain

Dew.

Russ

Dissolve

me

in

Mountain

Dew.

Oh.

So

what

is

more

morbid?

My

idea.

Lindz

Nobody's

gonna

see

me

being

turned.

You

could

do

that

in

the

bathtub.

Russ

Yeah,

but

I.

So.

So

that's

my

thing

is

like,

I

like

the

ocean.

Lindz

Right?

But

I'm

gonna

have

to

get

you

into

a

vehicle,

into

a

boat.

Russ

Drive

slow.

Don't

get

pulled

over.

Lindz

Right

into

a

duffel

bag.

Russ

Oh,

my

God.

I

think

we

gotta

cut

this

whole

segment

out

of

this.

Damn.

Lindz

No

way.

I

do

want

to

end

it

with

this,

though.

I.

I

Read

this

article.

So

Ozempic

is

a

big

deal

right

now,

right?

Russ

Yeah.

Lindz

Everybody

wants

the

weight

loss

drug,

Right.

Everybody

wants

to

lose

weight

and

this

is

a

way

to

do

it

quick.

OIC

is

a

big

deal.

Well,

they're

finding

that

women

who

are,

are

using

Ozempic,

specifically

women

who

have,

who

are

higher

in

age

are

becoming

more

fertile.

Russ

Oh,

no.

We're

going

to

have

a

bunch

of

old

ladies

in

the

villages

getting

pregnant.

Lindz

A

woman

53

years

old

ended

up

pregnant

because

of

Ozempic.

Russ

Oh,

my

God.

Lindz

I'm

not

using

it.

I'm

not

going

near

it.

If

anybody

is

on

it,

go

away.

Russ

Yeah.

If

you,

you

sniff.

Right.

You're

gonna

get

pregnant.

Lindz

Right?

We're

not

going

to

the

villages.

Russ

No.

Lindz

Because

they

might

be

using

it.

I'm

not

going.

Russ

That's

terrifying.

Lindz

Yeah.

53.

53

years

old

and

pregnant.

Russ

Yeah.

We

had

a

friend

that

he

was,

he

was

in

his

50s,

right?

Lindz

40S.

Russ

40S.

High

40s.

And

he

had

like

a

five

year

old.

I

was

like,

bro,

you're

gonna

be

like

75

when

your

kid

walks

down

the

graduation

aisle.

Graduation

aisle.

Lindz

But,

you

know,

I

honestly

feel

like

you're

more

stable,

mature.

Yes,

I

agree

at

that

age

and

can

handle

a

toddler

better.

You

have

more

patience.

Russ

I

don't

know.

You're

seeing

grumpy

old

people,

but

I'm

talking

40s.

Lindz

I'm

not

talking

70s.

Russ

Yeah,

but

he's

gonna

be

70

when

his

kid

walks

to.

He.

I

graduated

high

school

and

then

they

got

to

wheel

his

dad

out

and

he's

like,

yay.

Lindz

I

can't.

Bye.

Russ

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are

we

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