#52 - Theme Parks, Tipsy Parties, and Trolls

December 17, 2023

#52 - Theme Parks, Tipsy Parties, and Trolls

Unfiltered Union

Russ and Lindz recount their recent trip to Disney's Magic Kingdom, detailing the challenges of navigating the park's complex ticketing and Lightning Lane systems. They discuss the frustration of paying multiple fees for popular rides like Tron and Seven Dwarfs, and the inconvenience of being forced out of the park at 6 PM for a special evening event. Despite the logistical challenges, they highlight the magical moments, especially for their daughter who was able to meet several Disney princesses and experience the wonder of the park.

The podcast then shifts to a discussion about holiday parties and the role of alcohol in workplace events. They debate the pros and cons of serving alcohol at company gatherings, with Russ arguing against it due to potential liability issues and Lindz taking a more nuanced stance that adults should be responsible for their own actions. They reference statistics about employee drinking habits and discuss the potential embarrassing scenarios that can occur at office holiday parties.

The episode concludes with a conversation about a recent social media incident involving a friend who was targeted by a 'clout chaser'. They condemn the practice of online harassment and discuss how social media can amplify negative interactions. The hosts emphasize the importance of kindness and mutual respect, both online and in person, and how unnecessary and harmful unprovoked attacks can be.

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Russ and Lindz

Publish Date

December 17, 2023

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Episode Notes

Do you ever feel as though there's an unholy alliance between theme parks and your wallet? How about when you're trying to navigate the labyrinthine world of Disney's new Genie Plus lightning lane system while nursing a mild case of Amazon packaging anxiety? Join us as we share our rollercoaster ride of an adventure at Disney World and discuss the various bumps along the way. As parents, nothing beats the joy of seeing your child's eyes widen in awe as they meet their favorite princess at Disney's Magic Kingdom. However, the magic fades slightly when you're facing the daunting queues.

We also venture into the chaos and excitement of the holiday season, sharing our woes about potential gift spoiler alerts thanks to Amazon's packaging system. And now, for something completely different - let's talk about alcohol, company events, and the boundaries that sometimes blur. It's the season of holiday parties, and we've all had our share of embarrassing moments. We break down the hilarious and mortifying things that can happen, all while dissecting the thin line between fun and liability.

In a twist, we also delve into the world of social media clout chasing, exploring its impact on individuals and the community. Join us on this wild ride as we navigate the highs and lows of Disney, holiday season, company parties, and the impact of social media. ---

Timestamps:

(00:00:01) Alcohol at company holiday parties

(00:23:03) Liability and consequences of alcohol at company parties

(00:29:38) Opinions on alcohol at company holiday parties

(00:32:39) Embarrassing dancing at work events

(00:33:43) People stumbling or falling

(00:33:52) Shoes removed at parties

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  1. At Magic Kingdom, Disney employs a complex ticketing system with multiple paid tiers, including Genie Plus and additional Lightning Lane fees for popular rides like Tron and Seven Dwarfs

  2. Disney parks host special evening events that require separate tickets, effectively turning one park day into two revenue opportunities for the company

  3. Meeting Disney princesses can be a magical experience for children, especially around age nine when they are most interactive and emotionally engaged

  4. Companies hosting holiday parties with alcohol face significant liability risks, with 88% of employees drinking and potential for inappropriate behavior

  5. Social media can enable harmful 'clout chasing' behavior, where individuals attack others publicly for attention, potentially damaging reputations and businesses

  6. Responsible alcohol consumption requires personal accountability, with adults expected to know and manage their own limits at work events

  7. Amazon's packaging practices during holiday shopping can potentially spoil surprise gifts by revealing product details on exterior packaging

  8. Online crowd-sourced accountability can quickly punish individuals who engage in malicious or inappropriate online behavior

  1. "If you believe that we take it too far or our mouths are too much for you, then with as much love and sincerity as we can muster, you can suck it."  - Lindz

    - This quote perfectly captures the podcast's unapologetic and irreverent tone, setting the stage for their unfiltered style of commentary

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  2. "I think as a company, I trust you as an employee to make good decisions. Alcohol is, it can be bad, but it can also be fun as long as you don't overdo it."  - Lindz

    - This quote provides a nuanced perspective on workplace drinking and personal responsibility, which is central to their discussion about holiday parties

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  3. "Keyboard warriors are poisonous. What are you doing? Just leave people alone."  - Lindz

    - This quote succinctly summarizes their critique of social media trolling and clout-chasing behavior

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  4. "When you deal with toddlers, you know, that even negative attention is still attention."  - Russ

    - This quote provides insight into the psychology behind social media provocateurs and their motivations

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  5. "I'm living out my childhood dreams with my daughter. Like, that's the moment I had."  - Russ

    - This quote captures the emotional depth of their Disney experience and the joy of parenting

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Chapter 1: Disney Adventure: Magic and Frustration

Russ and Lindz discuss their recent trip to Disney's Magic Kingdom, sharing their experiences with park logistics, ride queues, and the excitement of meeting princesses. They explore the nuanced pricing strategies of Disney, including the Genie Plus system and additional fees for popular rides like Tron and Seven Dwarfs Mine Train.

  • Disney's pricing system includes multiple layers of fees beyond the initial ticket price, including Genie Plus and individual ride lightning lanes.
  • Meeting characters like princesses can create magical moments for children, making the park experience memorable despite logistical challenges.

Key Quotes

  1. "They were trying to nickel and dim us for Lightning lanes for those two rides. Could pay $40 a person for Tron." by Lindz

    - Highlights the frustration with Disney's pricing model and additional fees

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  2. "I think this was the perfect age to have gone to Magic Kingdom." by Russ

    - Captures the emotional significance of the trip for their daughter

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Chapter 2: Holiday Parties and Workplace Alcohol

The couple discusses the complexities of alcohol consumption at company holiday parties, exploring perspectives on responsible drinking, potential liabilities, and social dynamics. They examine statistical data about employee drinking habits and debate the appropriateness of alcohol at corporate events.

  • Workplace holiday parties present complex social and legal considerations regarding alcohol consumption.
  • Personal responsibility and moderation are crucial when alcohol is present at professional events.

Key Quotes

  1. "I feel like if you're working at a place and you're an adult, then you should be able to make the decision whether or not to drink alcohol." by Lindz

    - Represents a nuanced view on personal responsibility at work events

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  2. "I seriously feel like holiday parties can be fun without the alcohol." by Russ

    - Highlights an alternative perspective on workplace social gatherings

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Chapter 3: Social Media Toxicity and Clout Chasing

Russ and Lindz discuss a recent incident involving a friend who was targeted by a social media 'clout chaser' who publicly fat-shamed him. They explore the harmful dynamics of online interactions, the potential consequences of unsolicited attacks, and the power of community response.

  • Social media platforms can enable harmful behavior through anonymity and the pursuit of attention.
  • Community-driven accountability can be an effective way to combat online harassment and inappropriate behavior.

Key Quotes

  1. "Keyboard warriors are poisonous. What are you doing? Just leave people alone." by Lindz

    - Captures the frustration with harmful online behavior

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  2. "When you deal with toddlers, you know, that even negative attention is still attention." by Russ

    - Explains the motivation behind provocative online behavior

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Note: This transcript was automatically generated using speech recognition technology. While we will make minor corrections on request, transcriptions do not currently go through a full human review process. We apologize for any errors in the automated transcript.

Lindz

This

is

the

Unholy

Union,

a

podcast.

Russ

Where

you'll

be

subjected

to

highly

offensive

marital

discourse.

Lindz

If

you

do

not

feel

insulted

during

this

week's

episode,

don't

worry.

We'll

try

harder

next

week.

Russ

If

you

can

relate

to

our

ramblings,

we

want

to

be

friends

with

you.

Lindz

If

you

believe

that

we

take

it

too

far

or

our

mouths

are

too

much

for

you,

then

with

as

much

love

and

sincerity

as

we

can

muster,

you

can

suck

it.

Russ

Welcome

to

the

Unholy

Union.

I'm

sore.

Lindz

Me,

too.

Disney

is

not

supposed

to

be

a

workout.

Russ

Well,

you

said

generalizing

on

your

phone.

It

was.

How

many

steps

did

we

take?

Lindz

Whoa.

It

said,

like,

20

something

thousand.

But

I'm

pretty

sure

it

was

more

than

that.

Russ

It

had

to

have

been.

Lindz

I

mean.

Well,

yeah,

because.

Well,

you're

standing

there

a

lot,

too,

though.

Russ

True.

Yeah.

Lindz

Standing

in

lines,

Standing

in

line,

and

then

you're

standing

for

some

of

the

attractions.

You

stand

there

for

a

while

as

part

of

the

attraction,

which

is

torture.

And

I'm

not

doing

that

again

unless

I

get

a

hover

round.

Russ

Would

you

stop?

Lindz

I'm

doing

it

next

year.

Because

they

get

VIP

treatment,

too,

to

an

extent.

Russ

I'd

say,

like,

they

do

have

to

wait.

It

seems

a

little

longer.

Like,

people

with

accessibility

issues

have

to,

like,

almost

be

queued

differently

than

people

who

don't

have

accessibility

issues.

So

it's

like

they

pause

the

whole

ride,

and

it's

almost

like,

you

know.

Lindz

That'S

because

I

got

to

load

them

and

unload

them,

so

they

have

to

pause.

But

the

thing

is,

though,

is

on

a

couple

of

rides

that

we

had,

we

had

people

with

hover

rounds

that

they

just

essentially

skipped

a

line.

Russ

Yeah.

Lindz

It's

like,

oh,

no,

man,

this

is

messed

up.

They

get

to

sit

down

and

skip

the

line.

Russ

Well,

they

have

to

get

off

their

hover

round

at

a

point

and

then

go

into

the

queue.

A

separate

queue,

but

still.

And

so

their.

Their

accessibility

issues

are,

you

know,

from

the

point

that

they

get

off

until

the

point

that

they

have

to

get

on

the

ride.

Lindz

Okay.

Do

they

check

to

make

sure

all

these

people

have

accessibility

issues?

Russ

Well,

I'm

sure

they.

When

you

buy

the

ticket.

I

mean.

I

don't

know.

Lindz

Well,

I'm

just

saying.

Because

I

could

buy

one

and

skip

the

line.

Russ

I

don't

know.

Lindz

I'm

just

saying.

I'm

not

saying

all

these

people

are

doing

that,

or

any

of

them

are

doing

that,

for

that

matter,

but

it

seems

like

a

perk.

Russ

You

have

Lightning

Lane,

let's

be

clear.

Lindz

Yeah,

I

know,

but

we

gotta

pay

extra

for

that

shit.

Russ

I

would

never

in

a

million

years

go

to

Disney

without

it.

And

I

think

I

told

you

back

when

I

went.

When

I

was

10

years

old.

So.

Dear

God,

20

some

years

ago

at

this

point,

we

had

a

different

version

of

Lightning

Lane.

And

I

can't

remember

what

it

was

called,

but

essentially

we

skipped

the

whole

line.

It

was

like

a

VIP

line.

Lindz

Right,

Right.

Russ

And

we

went

straight

to

the

front

every

single

time.

Lindz

Yeah.

But

now

that

it's

not

like

that,

it's

kind

of.

I

don't

know.

It

makes

sense

because

how

popular

Disney

is,

you

obviously

can't

have

a

VIP

line

anymore

because

everyone

would

just

pay

that.

And

then

your

VIP

line

is

long.

Russ

Right.

Lindz

So

they

had

to

make

it

to

where

that

Lightning

Lane

line

or

your

VIP

line

stayed

short.

So

they

do

this

like

virtual.

You

sign

up

for

a

ride

and

then

you

have

to

show

up

to

that

ride

within

X

amount

of

time.

They

give

you

like

a

whole

hour

to

show

up

and

then

you

get

to

skip

the

standard

line.

But

my

issue

is

there

was

two

rides.

Tron.

Russ

Yeah.

Lindz

And

the

Seven

Dwarfs.

They

were

trying.

We

already

paid

for

this.

Russ

Say

we

went

to

Magic

Kingdom.

Dear

goodness.

Lindz

Did

we

say,

okay,

we

went

to

Magic

Kingdom

this

year?

Russ

Yeah.

Lindz

Yes.

Russ

Yeah.

Lindz

Well,

what

really

kind

of

ticked

me

off

about

this

whole

trip,

though,

was

those

two

rides

in

particular.

Seven

Dwarfs

Drawn.

They.

We

had

paid

for

this

Lightning

Lane

thing

for

the

whole

day.

It's

Genie

Plus,

I

think

is

what

it's

called.

Russ

Right.

Lindz

And

then

they

were

trying

to

nickel

and

dim

us

for

Lightning

lanes

for

those

two

rides.

Russ

Yep.

Lindz

Could

pay

$40

a

person

for

Tron.

$40

a

person?

Russ

I

thought

it

was

20.

Lindz

No,

well,

I

think

it

was

20.

Russ

But

it

was

20.

Me,

20

you.

Lindz

Okay?

Yes.

Okay.

Russ

A

total

40.

Lindz

$20

a

person

to

ride

a

ride

in

which

you've

already

paid

a

500

something

dollars

ticket.

Russ

Well,

it

was

$500

for.

Well,

500

plus

for

me,

you

and

our

daughter

Go.

Lindz

Which

is

the

price

we.

But.

And

then

they're

trying

to

charge

another

$20

if

you

want

to

ride

Tron.

Russ

Well.

And

it

was

70

or

$80

for

the

Genie

Plus.

So

it's

like.

Lindz

Yeah,

that's

what

I'm

saying.

It's

nickel

and

dime.

And

then

the

same

situation

for

the

seven

dwarfs,

it

was

an

extra

10

bucks

a

person

to

get.

To

get

in

the

Lightning

Lane

for

that.

Russ

I'm

like,

I

think

that's

based

on

demand,

though.

Lindz

I.

A

hundred

percent.

But

that's.

Then

I

don't

know.

I

don't

know

how

you

do

it.

Russ

There's.

There

were

Only

two

rides,

at

least

at

our

day

when

we

went,

that

had

that

extra

fee,

which

was

the

Seven

Dwarves

and

the

Tron

ride.

Lindz

Why

are

you

flicking

me

off?

Russ

Sorry,

I'm

counting

on

my

fingers.

So

those

two

rides

were

the

only

ones

that

had

the

extra

fee.

And

I

think

it's

because

their

queue

line,

like

the

standby

line,

that's

what

they

call

it.

Lindz

Yes.

Russ

You're

either

in

Lightning

Lane

or

you're

in

standby.

And

the

standby

lane

was

over

60

minutes

for

either

of

those

rides.

Lindz

Okay.

Russ

It's

like

based

on

demand.

Lindz

But

they

should.

Russ

You

want

to

get

to

the

front

of

the

line,

gotta

pay

money.

Lindz

They

should

still

let

you

join

the

Lightning

Lane

if.

Even

if

it's

going

to

be

a

while,

they

shouldn't

charge

you

for

that.

Russ

Well

then

they

also

had

the

virtual

queue.

So

they

had

three

options,

right.

@

least

for

Tron.

I

don't

remember

if

they

had

it

for,

well,

Tron.

Lindz

If

you

didn't

jump

on

that

within

like

30

seconds,

you

still

couldn't

ride

it.

Russ

Right.

But

the

virtual

queue,

like

you

didn't

have

to

pay

anything.

So

they

did

give

you

three

options

for

Tron.

The.

But

it's

so

popular

because

it's

newer,

right.

Lindz

It's

brand

new

and

it

looks

kind

of

cool.

Russ

It

really

does.

Lindz

It

looks

like

you're

on

a

motorcycle

like

in

the

Tron

movie

where

you're.

The

light

cycles,

I

think

is

what

it's

called.

Tron

Light

cycle.

Russ

I

don't

think

I

would

have

been

happy

though,

riding

it

during

the

day.

Lindz

No,

I

don't

know.

Because

a

lot

of

it's

inside

that.

That

last

part

is

outside.

And

it's

short

because

I've

watched

the

GoPro

footage

of

it

because.

Russ

Our

kiddo

isn't

tall

enough

to

write

it

just

yet.

Tr.

Specifically.

Lindz

So

it

was

a

take

turns

issue

or

thing.

So

it

didn't

make

sense.

Russ

Anyway,

yeah,

there

was

a

couple

logistic

items,

but

I

get

your

point.

Like

they

we

already

paid

a

fee

and

then

we

paid

another

fee

and

now

you

want

to

pay

a

third

fee.

Lindz

Right?

And.

Well,

and

then,

I

mean,

it's

December,

so

we

know

this,

but

there

was

an

event

at

Magic

Kingdom

that

started

at

6pm

so

they

kicked

all

of

us

peasants

out

of

the

park.

Russ

No

back

up

though,

because

think

about

this.

I

need.

I

need

you.

I

need

you

to

help

me

grasp

how

huge

this

is.

Because

we

had

a

regular

general

mission

ticket

and

it

was

broke

Ass

Mahafa

and

It

was

from

8am

until

6pm

and

that

meant

we

had

access

to

the

Magic

Kingdom

park

right.

8:00am,

6:00pm

well

then

at

6:00pm,

I

mean,

you

can't

just

vacate

the

whole

park.

Right.

So

they

start

having

people

come

out

with

wands

and

checking

people

for

special

wristbands

for

a

second

event

that

was

going

to

happen

from

6pm

till

10pm

I

believe

was

the

cutoff

time.

And

that

was

Mickey's

very

Merry

Christmas

parade

or

something

like

that

party,

I

think.

Lindz

Yeah,

something

like.

Russ

So

use

they,

as

in

Disney,

sold

that

park

from

8am

to

6pm

for

one

ticket

and

then

sold

it

again.

Lindz

Right.

Russ

For

6pm

to

10pm

and

that

ticket

was

the

same

price

as

the

general

admission

for

the,

the

whole

day.

Lindz

Well,

and

you

know

what

also

really

ticked

me

off

about

that?

Russ

Think

about

the

money.

Lindz

Oh,

I

know

it's.

They

double

dipped

for

sure.

And

you

know,

that's

probably

every

weekend

or

maybe

even

every

day

for

the

month

of

December.

Russ

But

it's

probably

for

October

too,

because

they

have

the

spooky

thing.

Lindz

Yeah,

right.

So

they're

doing

that

all

the

time.

They're

making

a

killing

off

of

one

day

of

a

regular

park

day

turns

into

two

days

for

them.

Russ

Right.

And

there

were.

They

said

that

the

evening

event

was

sold

out.

Lindz

Yeah,

we

couldn't,

we.

If

we

wanted

to

stay,

we

could

not.

Russ

Right.

So

from

the

6

to

10,

you're

telling

me

it's

sold

out

for

four

hours.

But

why

would

you

pay

that

much

money

for

those

four

hours?

I'm,

I'm.

Lindz

Well,

okay.

Russ

So

mind

boggled

by

this.

Lindz

I

don't

know.

I

feel

like

it

would

be

cool

to

go

see

because

it's

a

huge

fireworks

show.

They

were,

they

were

doing

testing

while

we

were

there

and

I

think

it

would

just

be

a

different

experience

because

they

all

get

to

access

all

the

rides

like

we

did.

Russ

Right.

Lindz

At

night,

which

would

be

kind

of

neat.

But

one

thing

that

really

ticked

me

off

about

this

whole

situation,

they

kick

us

out

at

six

and

the

other

event

starts

at

six.

Russ

Right.

Lindz

The

problem

with

that

is

they

shut

the

walkways

down

in

the

whole

park.

Russ

Well,

certain

walkways,

yeah.

Lindz

Yeah.

But

that

was

the

way

that

we

could

have

gone

and

made

it

out

of

the

park

faster.

But

they

kept

like

they

closed

off

portions

of

the

park

for

the

party

or

for

the

Christmas

party

guest.

Russ

Right.

Lindz

And

I'm

like,

okay,

that's

messed

up.

How

about

instead

of

you

doing

that,

you

say

you

guys

get

out

at

6,

our

event

starts

at

7,

keep

the

whole

park

opened

and

then

let

us

get

out

in

a

way

that

we're

not

all

cramming

in

the

same

areas.

Because

there

was

one

way

to

get

out.

That

was

it.

One

way.

So

everybody

that

didn't

have

that

6

to

11

or

10

ticket,

they

were

all

trying

to

leave

in

the

same

area.

Russ

Right.

Lindz

It

was

a

nightmare.

Russ

Yeah.

Lindz

It

made

me

angry

because

it

was

like.

What?

Russ

It

made

you

what?

Lindz

It

made

me

angry.

Well,

it's.

It

just.

It

was

kind

of.

To

me,

it

was

like,

really,

you

guys

couldn't

give

us,

you

know,

start

their

event

later

and

maybe

stay

open

an

hour

later

or

even

kick

us

out

at

five.

Russ

Right?

Lindz

Kick

us

out

of

five.

Take

that

five

to

six

hour

to

prep

and

get

all

of

us

out

and

then

any

stragglers

that's

on

them.

Russ

Right.

Lindz

You

know

what

I

mean?

Russ

Well,

let's

be

honest,

though.

We

went

from

one

ride

and

try

to

go

on

another

right

around

that

6:00

mark.

And

they

were

already

checking

wristbands.

Yeah.

Lindz

And

that's

fine

because.

And

then

that's

our

fault.

But

we

left

at

six

and

everything

was

already

closed.

Walkways

were

closed.

We

had

to

go

one

route.

And

then

we

were

like,

where

do

we

go?

You

know,

I

mean,

obviously

there's

a

bunch

of

people

there

directing

us.

But

it

was

like.

Russ

And

they

were

kind

of

like,

well,

the

park

shut

down

at

6.

You

need

to

head

towards

the

exit.

Lindz

Head

towards

the

teacups,

take

a

left,

do

a

backflip

and

somersault,

and

leave.

I'm

like.

Russ

It

was.

It

was

very

direct

and,

like,

time

for

you

to

leave.

Lindz

They

were

being

kind

of

buttholes.

I

was

like,

man,

Disney's

supposed

to

be

this

happy

place.

Y'all

ain't

happy.

Russ

Okay,

so

that's

kind

of

the

interesting

part

of

the

trip.

I

mean,

there

really

weren't

many

negatives,

though,

like,

other

than

I

think

maybe

trying

to

exit

the

park.

Lindz

That

was

bad,

though.

That

really

pissed

me

off.

Russ

Agreed.

But

then

I

think

everything

else

was

really

good.

Like,

our

daughter

is

turning

nine

here

in

a

couple

of

days.

Lindz

Yes.

And

47

years.

Russ

And

we

always

said.

Because.

Shush.

We

always

said

that

because

her

birthday

is

a

week

before

Christmas

that

we

would

take

her

on

a

trip.

Lindz

Yeah.

We're

not.

We

don't

buy

her

birthday

gifts.

We

do

a

big

trip.

Russ

Yep.

Because

she's

gonna

get

gifts

the

next

week.

Lindz

Right.

So

Santa

Claus

is

coming

to

town.

Russ

Exactly.

So

no

point

in

us,

you

know,

flooding

her

with

gifts.

Let's

go

on

a

trip.

So

back

in

Virginia,

we

did

great.

Wolf

Lodge

in

Williamsburg.

Lindz

Yep.

Russ

Awesome.

Lindz

We

love

doing

that

too,

because

we

got

to

stay.

It

was

a

little

bit

easier.

Instead

of

driving

to

Orlando

or

whatever,

we

drove

to

Williamsburg,

stayed

a

Couple

nights,

Stayed

a

couple

nights,

and

then

left.

It

was

a

lot

nicer

because

everything.

That's

the

other

cool

thing

about

Great

Wolf

to

everything's

on

site.

Just

like

Disney.

You

don't

have

to

leave.

Russ

Right.

Disney's

more

expensive.

So

we

haven't

been

staying

yet.

But

hopefully

once

we

get

our

finances

in

order,

that

can

be

what

we

do.

But

going

to

my

point

here.

Lindz

Thanks,

Cube.

Russ

Going

to

my

point

here

is

she's

almost

nine,

and

I

think

this

is

the

perfect

age

to

have

gone

to

Magic

Kingdom.

I

say

that

because

not

only

is

she

able

to

ride

most

things

and

she

is

interactive

with

most

things,

but

she

also

has

favorite

things.

Right.

Lindz

Yes.

Russ

She

loves

Rapunzel.

Lindz

Oh,

yeah.

She's

her

Tangled.

I

don't

know

if

she

would

tell

you

that's

her

favorite

movie

or

her

favorite

princess

or

whatever.

Russ

No,

she

said

it

when

we

were

there.

Lindz

I

know.

Russ

Maybe

just

like,

you

know,

that's

a.

Lindz

That's

a

honeymoon

type

deal.

Like,

you

know,

But

I.

But

we

know

that

that's

what

it

is

because

she's

always

loved

Tangled,

the

movie.

Russ

Yep.

She's

always

had.

Our

daughter

has

long

blonde

hair,

so

she

just

loves

Rapunzel.

Lindz

That's

the

one

that

she

identifies

with.

And

she's

nuts.

So

on

par.

Russ

But

anyway,

so

for

her

to

meet

all

these

princesses,

like,

while

we

were

there,

literally,

we

met

all

of

them.

Like,

I

think

there's

maybe

two

or

three.

Okay,

I

guess

maybe

four

that

we

didn't

see.

No.

White

Jasmine.

And

Elsa

and

Anna.

We

didn't

see

those

four.

Lindz

Well,

yeah.

Right.

We

didn't

see.

We

have

not

seen

them

at

all

yet.

Russ

No,

we

haven't

seen

those

four

at

all

yet.

Lindz

And

Elsa

and

Anna,

she

would

lose

her

over

too,

though.

Russ

I

think

so.

Lindz

Yeah.

Russ

But

regardless,

we

saw

Cinderella,

Tiana.

We

saw

Rapunzel.

We

saw

Elena

of

Avalor.

That's

how

she

used

to

say

it.

Yeah.

Elena

of

Avalor.

We

saw

Belle.

Lindz

I

mean,

Ariel.

Russ

Ariel.

We

saw

Ariel.

So

in

each

one,

you

could

just

see

how

excited

she

was.

It

was

so

happy

to

be

meeting

them.

Lindz

Yeah.

And

I

think.

I

think

that's

the

other

reason

why

Rapunzel

sticks

with

her

is

Rapunzel's

like.

I

don't

know.

She's

normal.

You

know

what

I

mean?

Like,

she

kind

of

joking

and

all

that

stuff.

All

the

other

ones

were

very.

I

mean,

they're

actors.

Russ

Yep.

Lindz

In

character.

And

they

stay

true

to

their

character.

So

they.

They're

talking

like

princesses,

all

proper.

And

I'm

like,

I

need

some

tea.

Russ

Huh.

But

Rapunzel

she

did.

She

went

and

grabbed

her

hand

and

they

were

taking

pictures

together.

Gave

her

a

big

hug.

So

I.

I

think

this

was

the

perfect

age

to

go

to

Magic

Kingdom.

Lindz

That

is

why

that

place

is

called

Magic

Kingdom.

Because

then,

like,

especially

if

you

have

a

little

girl

that

loves

Disney

princesses,

she.

She

did.

She

truly

lost

her.

Russ

I

did,

too.

Lindz

Yeah,

I

know

you

did.

You

got

teary

eyed

a

couple

of

times.

I'm

like,

really?

Russ

I'm

living.

Literally

living

out

my

childhood

dreams

with

my

daughter.

Like,

that's

the

moment

I

had.

Lindz

And

you.

Your

favorite

movie

of

all

time

is.

Russ

Beauty

and

the

Beast.

Lindz

Beauty

and

the

beast.

Russ

So

100.

Lindz

But

I

still

don't

know.

How

would

you

cry?

Russ

Okay,

look,

I

have

a

Bonnie

Jean.

It

is

hereditary.

We've

talked

about

this

before

with

my

cousin

Mandy.

Lindz

Oh,

my

God.

Russ

She

was

on

our

podcast

previously.

It's

in

my

jeans.

I

can't

help

it.

Lindz

No.

Okay.

Russ

It

has

gotten

worse

as

I've

gotten

older.

Lindz

I

do.

I

did

like

it.

I

thought

they

were

cool,

the

princesses

and

stuff.

They

stayed

in

character.

It's

not

cheesy,

like

the.

You

know,

you

see

the,

like,

what

is

it,

Chuck

E.

Cheese?

You

go

in

there,

you're

like,

oh,

creepy

as

hell.

No,

these.

These

are

on

point.

They

have

accents

like

the.

The

characters

in

the

movies.

Like

Tiana.

She

kind

of

has

that

Southern

Louisiana

accent.

Russ

Yep.

Lindz

She

did

very

well

with

that.

She

talked

about

food,

which

was

Tiana's

thing

in

Princess

and

the

Frog.

Look

at

me.

I'm

throwing

out

facts

here

about

Disney.

Russ

Disney

princesses.

I'm

so

proud.

Lindz

But

it

was

good.

I

did

like

it.

I

liked

it

for

her.

But

we've

been

to

Epcot,

Animal

Kingdom,

and

Magic

Kingdom.

Now,

Animal

Kingdom

was

my

favorite

so

far.

So

far?

Yes,

so

far.

Russ

We

have

all

the

other

parks,

including

Universal,

to

do,

so

we

have

all

the

things

to

do

in

the

world

right

now.

But

for

me,

Magic

Kingdom

has

been

my

favorite

thus

far.

Lindz

Well,

you

got

teary

eyed

because

you

saw

Belle.

Russ

I

can't

help

it.

I'm

telling

you,

living

these

moments

with

my

daughter

is

insane.

Lindz

Well,

it

makes

it

better

because

you

get

to

see

her

enjoyment.

I

mean,

you

went

down

there

when

you

were.

Yeah,

but

do

you

remember

it

like

this?

Russ

No,

I

remember

it

for

sure,

but

I

didn't

get

to

see

any

of

the

Disney

princesses.

I

saw

the

castle,

and

that

was

awesome.

I

swear

I

saw

Tinkerbell

go

across

the

sky.

But

I

was

10

years

old,

so

who

knows?

Lindz

LSD

is

not

good.

Russ

Schizophrenia.

Who

knows?

Lindz

Well,

we

know

you

have

that.

Russ

I

do

Not.

Lindz

Yeah.

Well,

yesterday

you

said,

did

you

see

that

run

across

the

yard?

I

was

like,

what?

Russ

Yeah,

I

checked

on

our

camera.

There's

nothing

there.

Lindz

Yes.

She

had

to

look.

Russ

She

looked

at

the

cameras,

just

checking

reality

here.

Lindz

And

then

I

looked

at

her

and

I

said,

I'm

terrified.

Russ

But

I

mean,

overall,

I

think

it

was

a

really

good

trip.

Lindz

It

was

good.

My

legs

hurt

still.

Yeah,

it's

been

a

couple

of

days

and

my

legs

still

hurt.

And

that's

what's

crazy.

I

recommend

you

get

really

good

shoes,

get

good

insoles,

take

breaks,

Frequent

breaks.

We

didn't

even.

It

wasn't

even

a

hot

day,

but

we

still

were,

like,

getting

sweaty.

Heat,

exhausted.

Exhaustion.

Exhaustion.

Russ

No,

about

heat

exhaustion.

Lindz

Well,

when

we

were

inside

in

some

of

those

places,

they're

a

little

stuffy.

Russ

Oh,

yeah,

for

sure.

Lindz

I

was

getting

a

little

like.

Like

I

was

making

sure

when

we

were

standing

in

lines

and

stuff

that

my

knees

were

bent.

I

kept

checking.

I

kept

looking

at

our

kid

to

do

the

same

thing,

make

sure,

like,

hey,

are

you

all

right?

Because

you

lock

them

knees.

It's

over.

Russ

I'm

going

down

in

the

line.

Lindz

Oh,

yeah.

Going

down

in

the

line.

Well,

maybe

that's

how

you

get

that

VIP

access.

Russ

Would

you

stop?

Well,

so

this

time

of

year,

you

know,

we've

talked

about

it

being

all

about,

you

know,

Christmas

and

our

daughter's

birthday,

and

every

time

I

buy

something

right

now

from

Amazon,

I

have

so

much

anxiety.

I

know,

Me

too.

Lindz

So

I

think

part

of

this

problem.

Russ

Hold

on.

Can

I

frame

the

problem?

Lindz

Yeah,

I'm

sorry.

Russ

So

from

Amazon,

you

buy

packages,

right?

And

they

come

in

boxes,

Usually

an.

Lindz

Amazon

box

with

a

big

smile

on

it.

Russ

Right.

That's

what

you

would

hope

to

see,

especially

this

time

of

year

right

now

when

you

purchase

things

and

they're

supposed

to

be

from

a

specific

person.

Ho,

ho.

Lindz

Yes.

Russ

And

they

don't

come

that

way.

It's

jeopardy,

Right?

It's

in

jeopardy

of

being

seen.

And

I

came

home

the

other

night

from

a

work

event,

and

we'll

get

to

that

here

in

just

a

second.

But

there

was

a

package

at

the

front

door,

and

it

was

not

the

smiley

face.

Lindz

Right.

It

was

in

manufacturer's

packaging.

Russ

Exactly.

Lindz

Which

says

what

it

is

on

the

inside

of

the

box.

Russ

Outside

of

the

box.

Lindz

No,

I

know.

It

says

what's

on

the

inside

of

the

box.

Russ

The

outside.

Outside

says

what's

on

the

inside.

Lindz

Yes.

This

is

science.

Russ

Love

it.

Good

job.

And

we

have,

you

know,

a

bunch

of

our

daughter's

friends

in

the

neighborhood,

and

if

they

would

have

seen,

they

would

have.

Lindz

They

would

have

Blabbed.

Russ

It

would

have

been

over.

Lindz

I

mean,

to.

I

wouldn't

blame

them.

Russ

Right?

Lindz

Hey,

you

got

this.

What?

Russ

What

are

you

talking

about?

Lindz

What

you

talking

about?

But

yeah.

So

I

think

part

of

that

problem,

though,

is

we

live

next

to

a

hub.

Russ

Okay.

Lindz

Amazon

hubs

are.

I've.

They're

insane.

They're

all

over

the

place

down

here

in

Florida,

everywhere.

Russ

So

we're

a

port

or

one

big

port.

Lindz

Right

there.

There's

hubs

here.

And

I

think

they

don't

package

stuff

really

well

because

it's

not

really

shipping.

It's

from

the

hub

to

the

house.

Russ

It's

a

bunch

of.

Lindz

I

agree.

But

I'm

saying

I

think

that's

why

they

don't

really

repackage

stuff,

because

they

end

up

just.

It.

It's

literally

on

a

truck

for

a

half

hour.

Russ

And

I.

I

hear

what

you're

saying,

but

it's

the

time

of

year.

I

know

you

were

not

dumb.

Lindz

They

should

know.

Russ

Clear.

Lindz

They

should

know.

Like,

anything

that's

bought

right

now

might

be

for

that.

Unless

it's

something

inappropriate.

Any.

Anything.

Russ

Well,

even

the

inappropriate.

It

depends

on

what

you

do.

Get

your

kink

on.

Have

at

it.

Lindz

Yeah,

but

you

don't.

Normally

adults

don't

talk

about

ho,

ho,

ho

much.

You

know

what

I'm

saying?

Russ

Because

we're

talking

about

kink

and.

Lindz

No,

I'm.

I'm

trying

not

to.

I'm

trying

to

be

cryptic

here.

Russ

Ho

or

H

O

E.

Because

we

just.

Lindz

H

o.

I

get

it.

Russ

I'm

sorry.

Go

ahead.

Lindz

So

it's

not

that

big

of

a

deal.

Russ

It

was

poor

timing.

Lindz

It

was.

This

podcast

has

turned

X

rated

in

the

span

of

30

seconds.

Russ

Yeah,

that's

okay.

Lindz

But.

Yeah,

I

mean,

I

don't

know.

I

think

it's.

I

do

think

it's

messed

up.

They

should

absolutely

put

it

in

a

freaking

trash

bag.

Russ

Right?

Lindz

Something.

Russ

Well,

so

you

have

the

option

to,

like,

mark

it

as

a

gift,

right?

Lindz

Yeah,

but

what

are

they

going

to

do?

They're

going

to

tape

a

gift

receipt

to

the

side

of

it,

right?

Russ

Exactly.

It's

like,

what

would

that

change?

Lindz

Nothing.

Russ

I

actually.

I

think

I

brought

that

up

to

one

of

my

friends,

and

that's

what

they

said.

We'll

mark

it

as

a

gift.

And

then

they

have

to

cover

it

up.

It's

like,

okay,

but

a.

I'm

paying

$5

extra

for

them

to

wrap

it

and

all

they

do

is

put

a

big

bag

on

it.

And

then

what,

they're

going

to

put

it

in

another

box?

Maybe.

Why

couldn't

you

do

that

originally?

Lindz

I

don't

know.

I

mean,

they're

going

to

say

we're

being

ecologically

or

whatever

while

ruining

Christmas.

Environmentally

friendly.

Russ

Yeah.

Lindz

Santa

Claus,

his

sleigh

runs

on

coal

on

reindeer.

That

is

not

green

energy.

Russ

And

reindeer

fart.

So.

Lindz

So

we're

gonna

add

to

the

ozone.

Santa

Claus

is

7,500top

dollar

tax

break

for

a

Tesla.

Russ

Oh,

that'd

be

cool.

See

Santa

riding

in

the

Satana.

Satana.

Santana.

Okay,

good

musing.

Lindz

So

Santana,

not

Satana.

That

sounds

Satanic.

You

need

to

go

to

bed.

Russ

Yeah,

I

think

so.

That's

where

we're

at

tonight.

So

along

the

lines

again

of

holidays.

Right.

We

are

at

a

point

where

a

lot

of

companies

are

having

holiday

parties.

Lindz

Yes.

Russ

And

a

lot

of

people

go

to

those.

And

typically

there's

alcohol.

I

wanted

to

talk

about

this.

I

want

to

see

what

your

opinion

is.

Because

here

at

Unholy

Union,

we

have

our

own

opinions.

We

are

married

to

our

opinions.

Not

necessarily

to

each

other,

but

to

their

opinion.

No,

I'm

just

kidding.

Lindz

What?

Russ

I

don't

know.

I

need

to

go

to

bed.

Okay.

So

holiday

parties,

first

of

all,

do

you

think

that

there

should

be

alcohol,

either

open

bar

or

otherwise,

at

company

holiday

parties?

Lindz

I

don't

care.

I

don't

think.

I

think

if

you're

working

at

a

place

and

you're

an

adult,

then

you

should

be

able

to

make

the

decision

whether

or

not

to

drink

alcohol.

Russ

Well,

twofold.

Right.

So

do

you

think

the

company

should

allow

it?

And

if

the

company

does

allow

it,

do

you

think

the

person

should

drink?

Lindz

If

the

company

allows

it?

I

think

the

person

can

if

they

want.

Russ

Should

the

company

allow

it

at

all?

Lindz

Should

they

allow

it?

Yeah.

Russ

Okay.

Either

open

bar

or

cash

bar,

whatever

you

want.

Lindz

I

don't

care.

I

don't

care.

Russ

Okay.

So

you

don't

think

it's

a

problem

for

the

company

to

allow

alcohol

at

the

party

and

you

don't

think

it's

a

problem

for

a

person

to

decide

whether

or

not

they

want

the

alcohol?

Lindz

Right.

I

think

if

you're

an

adult,

you

should

be

able

to

make

decisions

for

yourself.

Whether

or

not

you

act

a

fool.

That's

different.

Russ

Okay.

Lindz

And

I

do

think

that

if

you

are

acting

a

fool,

like

really

bad,

I

think

you

should

be

able

to

get

fired.

Russ

Interesting.

Do

you

think

that

if

a

company

provides

alcohol

and

the

worker

decides

that

they're

going

to

partake

and

they

maybe

go

too

far,

that

the

company

should

be

held

liable.

Lindz

The

company

would

be

held

liable.

Russ

Well,

I'm

sorry.

The

person

should

be

held

liable.

Wrong

way.

Flip

it,

Reverse

it.

The

person

who

partook

and

took

it

overboard.

Lindz

Yes.

Know

Your

limits

should

be

held

liable.

Russ

And

lose

their

job.

Lindz

It

depends

on

what

they

do.

But

if

it's

something

really

bad,

like

if

they

got

up

on

stage

and

they

started

slinging

dong

around,

you're

fired.

Russ

Okay?

Lindz

Immediately.

Or

if

two

workers

started

sleeping

together

and

then

one

got

pregnant

and

it

got

out,

then

yeah,

you're

probably

fired.

Russ

So

you

think

that

the

person

would

get

fired

or

should

get

fired

depending

on

what

they

do,

correct?

If

the

company

allows

it,

yeah.

Interesting.

Lindz

I

think

that

as

a

company,

I

trust

you

as

an

employee

to

make

good

decisions.

Alcohol

is,

it

can

be

bad,

but

it

can

also

be

fun

as

long

as

you

don't

overdo

it,

which

I

am

one

that

will

overdo

it.

And

that's

why

I

don't

drink

anymore.

Russ

Fair

point.

Lindz

So

I

have

set

my

own

limit

to

zero.

Russ

I

would

push

back

on

that.

I

think

that

a

company

should

not

allow

it.

Lindz

Why

not?

Russ

I

think

that,

I

mean

if

it's,

let

me

say

this,

if

it

is

a

corporation

and

you

have

thousands

of

employees,

do

not

allow

it.

If

it

is

a

mom

and

pop

shop,

maybe

10

employees

at

their

discretion.

As

long

as

they

know

their

employees.

Right.

Big

companies

like

that

allowing

employees

to

drink

at

a

company

sponsored

event

is

a

liability

waiting

to

happen.

Like

it

doesn't

make

sense

to

allow

people

to

drink

at

a

work

function.

It

doesn't

make

sense.

Lindz

Well,

I

think

I,

I

wonder

if

say

a

person

at

a

work

party

got

drunk,

drove

home,

crashed

into

somebody,

killed

somebody,

who

would

be

responsible,

then

obviously

the

person

driving

would

be.

Russ

But

could

they

sue

the

company?

Lindz

Right?

Could

they

say,

well,

my

company

over

gay,

you

know,

they

over

gave

me.

Russ

Out,

they

over

served

me.

Lindz

Yeah,

they

over

served

me.

So

I

didn't,

I

didn't

know.

Russ

And

it's

not

like

you

sign

anything

when

you

go

into

these

company

events.

Lindz

Yeah,

I

don't

know.

I,

I

wouldn't

as

a,

if

I

was

a

company

owner,

I

don't

know

if

I

would

allow

it.

But

I

don't,

I

don't

think

you

should

stop.

I

don't

know,

it's

hard

for

me.

I

go,

I'm

kind

of

wishy

washy

on

it

because

I

can

see

bad

things.

But

I

can

also

see

that

if

you

host

a

holiday

party

and

you

don't

serve

alcohol,

there's

going

to

be

two

and

a

half

people

show

up.

Russ

Well,

I

also

think

I'm

slightly

biased

because

like

what

you

said,

right,

we

don't

really

drink

anymore.

Lindz

No,

we,

we.

I

mean

even

if

I

go

to

a

party

like

that,

I

might

have

one.

I'm

not

gonna

Say

I'm

complete.

Straight

edge.

No,

I'll

drink

a

beer

every

once

in

a

while

with

dinner.

You

know,

sometimes

beer

goes

good

with

a

good

juicy

steak.

But

I'm

not.

I

won't

drink.

I

usually

won't

drink

more

than

that

one.

Usually.

Russ

Now,

now,

now.

Lindz

Correct.

Russ

Yes.

Lindz

I

used

to

get

hammered.

Russ

Yeah.

Lindz

Let's

be

clear.

Russ

Right.

Again,

my

point

is

like

the

liability

to

the

company,

it

just

doesn't

seem

worth

it.

And

why

do

people

automatically

associate.

And

here

comes

my

bias.

Having

a

good

time

with

alcohol.

Like,

I

don't

understand

why

those

have

to

go

hand

in

hand.

Lindz

A

lot

of

people

get.

I

think

because

a

lot

of

people

get

annoyed

with

people

who

are

drinking

when

they're

not

drinking.

So

it

kind

of

paints

a

negative

picture

for

the

non

drinkers.

Like

I

don't

want

to

go

to

that

because

everybody's

going

to

be

drinking

or

the

drinking

p.

It's

weird.

Russ

It's.

Yeah,

it's

twofold,

right?

Lindz

Yeah.

It's

like

if

I

go

to

a

party

and

I'm

the

only

one

not

drinking,

am

I

gonna

have

fun?

You

can.

Russ

Absolutely,

certainly

can.

Lindz

You

look

at

them

and

you

think,

I

am

so

happy.

I'm

not

gonna

feel

like

tomorrow

you

guys

are

going

to

wake

up

and

your

eyes

aren't

going

to

be

able

to

open

all

the

way

and

your

mouth

is

going

to

taste

like

dog.

Russ

Yep.

My.

My

company

had

it

on

a

Thursday.

Well,

what

they

were

thinking

and

then

had

an

open

bar.

What?

Lindz

Yeah,

well,

I.

But

at

the

same

time,

like

I

said,

I

go.

I'm

wishy

washy

on

it.

Because

I

feel

like

if

they

provide

it

you

as

a

worker

or

employee,

you

have

to

know

your

limit.

It's

not

their

fault

to

monitor

you

like

a

baby.

Russ

I

agree.

100.

And

that's

why

I

think

smaller

companies

could

probably

monitor

it

more

than

a

large

corporation.

But

get

this.

So

alcohol.org

that's

nice.

Is

the

website

I'm

on

and

the

percentage

of

employees

who

drink

at

office

parties.

Guess

the

percentage

out

of

a

hundred

of

employees

who

drink

at

office

parties.

Lindz

All

of

them.

Russ

No.

88%.

I

was

going

to

say

12%

don't

drink.

Thought

that

was

pretty

interesting.

Now

let's

guess

the

average

number

of

drinks

consumed

at

office

holiday

parties.

Lindz

4.

Russ

No.

Lindz

What

is

it?

Russ

I

would

say

it's

closer

to

three.

Lindz

Oh,

see,

that's

not

that

bad.

Russ

Listen

to

this.

So

broken

down

by

gender

and

by.

Lindz

Alcohol

type,

men

drank

all

of

it.

Russ

No.

So

women

drink

2.3

glasses

of

wine

versus

men

at

2.6.

Women

drink

2.6

glasses

of

a

cocktail

or

mixed

drink

versus

men

at

3.5.

Lindz

More

men

drink

mixed

drinks.

All

right,

men,

drop

your

balls,

bro.

Russ

It

could

be

a

whiskey

sour.

Lindz

Y'all

drinking

them

strawberry

daiquiris

over

there.

I'm

pissed

at

you.

Russ

Cosmos.

And

then

last

for

beer.

Lindz

Can

I

get

a

vodka

Crayon?

Russ

Women

drink

3.1

beers,

whereas

men

drink

3.6.

To

me,

at

a

holiday

party,

literally.

Literally.

This

is

what

happened

with

me.

We

went

from

work

and

I

didn't.

I

live

kind

of

far

away,

so

I

had

to

stay

at

work

until

5,

and

then

the

party

started

at

6.

It

was

at

a

hotel.

So

me

and

my

co

worker

went

to

the

bar

at

the

hotel

before

the

party

started

and

just

had

a

glass

of

wine.

I

had

one

glass

of

wine.

I

don't

drink,

like,

ever

anymore.

I

was

feeling

that

one

glass

of

wine.

Lindz

Oh,

yeah.

See,

that's

the

thing,

too,

is

if

you

do

it

and

if

you

don't

do

it

and

then

you

have

one,

you're

like,

all

right,

I'm

good.

Russ

Yep.

Lindz

The

buzzed

feeling

is

a

fun

feeling.

It

can

be.

Russ

Yeah.

Lindz

Being

buzzed,

though.

Russ

I'm

a

bad

drunk.

I

really

am.

I

get

sick

every

time.

Lindz

Being

buzzed

is

where.

That's

the

level

of

fun.

But

the

problem

is

when

you're

buzzed,

you're

like,

I

want

to

keep

this.

And

your

judgment's

still

up,

and

you

end

up

drinking

too

much.

And

then

you're

not.

You're

not

buzzed

anymore.

You

are

drunk.

And

that's

when

you

wake

up

feeling

like

a

butthole.

Russ

Right.

So

I.

I

don't

know.

I

just.

I

seriously

feel

like

holiday

parties

can

be

fun

without

the

alcohol.

Lindz

I

agree.

Russ

It

doesn't.

So

I

also

want

to

do

this

last

one

here.

The

percentage

of

employees

who've

witnessed

each

action,

each

embarrassing

party

foul

at

an

office

holiday

party.

Can

you

guess

what

the

top

three

are?

Lindz

Party

fouls

at

a

holiday

party.

Russ

Office

holiday

party.

Yep.

Lindz

Being.

What

is

it?

Promiscuous

with

someone

at

work.

Russ

That

was

number

five.

Lindz

Okay.

Top

three.

I

don't

know.

Russ

Inappropriate

things

said.

Number

one.

Lindz

That's

every

fudgeing

day.

I

don't

know

about.

Just

a

holiday

party.

Russ

Have

you

listened

to

the

Unholy

Union?

Lindz

Yeah.

Russ

Then.

And

this

is.

This

is

me

embarrassing

dancing,

too.

Lindz

Yeah.

Well,

see,

I

do

that.

Russ

Not

drunk,

but.

Lindz

Yeah.

I

don't.

I

don't

know

why

that's.

Why

is

that

on

the

list?

That's

not

embarrassing.

Who

cares?

Russ

Embarrassing

dancing.

Who

cares?

Lindz

See,

that.

That's

the

thing.

Are

you

having

fun?

Russ

Right?

But

there's

a

time

and

place

for

things.

And

I

think

is

one

of

those

things.

Lindz

Yeah.

Russ

Where

you

don't

do

it

at

a

work

sponsored

event.

Same

thing

with

me

doing

the

Dougie

at

my

work.

Lindz

That's

fine.

That's

not

a

bad

dance.

You're

not

like,

you're

not

twerking

on.

Bad

dancing

would

be

like

twerking

on

a

co

worker.

Russ

Right.

Lindz

In

a

skirt

or

whatever.

Russ

Right.

Lindz

That's

bad

dancing

that.

I

can

see

that

being

kind

of

embarrassing.

You're

like,

wake

up.

And

you're

like,

oh,

yeah,

I

didn't

do

that.

I

didn't

do

that.

Russ

I

got

close.

I

didn't.

But

I

didn't.

No,

I'm

kidding.

Yeah,

I

didn't

do

that.

Last

one

is

people

stumbling

or

falling.

And

this

is

interesting,

the

fourth

one,

because

you

already

said

the

fifth

was

co

worker

hookup.

The

fourth

one

is

shoes

removed.

Why

is

that

bad?

Lindz

Don't

most

people

take

like.

Especially

women.

Yeah,

they

take

their

heels

off

during.

During

a

party

so

they

can

dance

and

things

like

that.

Russ

Yeah.

I

thought

that

was

interesting

though.

Lindz

Alcohol.org

sounds

like

they're

straight

edges.

Russ

Well,

yeah,

it's

for

recovery

alcoholics.

Lindz

Oh,

my

bad.

Love

you.

Russ

Good

job.

Lindz

Whoopsie.

Russ

So

with

all

of

that,

you

know

there's

crazy

people

at

holiday

parties,

but

there's

also

just

crazy

people

in

the

world.

Lindz

Yeah,

I

know.

That's

that.

I

just

feel

like

we

as

a

culture

and

as

a

society

has.

Have

turned

into

a

bunch

of

we

have

to

have

a

babysitter

or

you

need

to

make

sure

I

don't

drink

too

much.

It's

like,

no,

you're

an

adult.

Russ

No,

you

mitigate

the

risk

is

my

point.

Lindz

I

know,

but

the

problem

with

that

is

though,

is

then

you

start

getting

into

this

coddled

society

of

a

bunch

of

babies

because

everybody

has

to

have

somebody.

Not.

You

can't

do

that

here.

And

it's

like,

no,

just

fudgeing.

Let.

Let

people

make.

Let

people

fuck

up.

Russ

Well,

as

long

as.

Lindz

That's

how

you

learn.

Russ

As

long

as

the

company

isn't

liable.

Right.

And

how

do

you

mitigate

the

liability?

Lindz

That's

where

you

don't

have

the

alcohol.

But

I

feel

like

the

company

being

liable

is

wrong.

Russ

Okay,

I

can

agree

with

that

statement.

Lindz

You're

an

adult.

You

should

know

your

limit.

The

bar.

I

hate

the

fact

that

a

bartender

can

get

in

trouble

for

over

serving.

It's

like,

how

am

I

supposed

to

know?

Russ

Right?

Lindz

What's

the

test?

Do

I

take

you

out

back

and

do

the

fucking.

Do

the

field

sobriety

test

on

you?

Russ

Well,

totally

off

topic

here,

but

back

in

the

day

when

I

worked

at

a

hotel

and

we

did

serve

alcohol,

you

actually

had

to

be

va

B

C

certified.

Lindz

Right.

Russ

Which

meant

you

knew

when

you

were

over

serving.

Lindz

How

do

you

know?

Russ

It

was

the

amount

of

drinks.

It

was

gauging

a

person

and

their

mobility,

their

actions,

the

way

they

were

talking.

Lindz

I've

been

to

many

bars,

drank

way

too

much

and

not

one

bar

I

went

to

told

me

to

stop

because

I

was

over

or

over

drinking.

Not

once.

And

I

know

I

had

too

much.

Russ

Lots

of

bad

bartenders

out

there.

Lindz

No,

it's

not

their

responsibility.

I

know,

but

I'm

just

saying

it's

mine

for

over

drinking.

And

I

did

not

drive.

Russ

Okay.

So

the

point

in

all

that,

in

saying

that

there

are

still,

you

know,

bad

people

out

in

the

world

is

another

event

that

happened

in

our

lives

recently.

Yes.

Impacted

one

of

our

near

and

dear

friends.

And

we're

gonna

keep

it

real

general

here

just

to

give

you

the.

The

tea,

as

the

young

folks

say.

Lindz

The

T.

Yeah.

What's

the

T

mean?

Russ

Oh

my

God.

Lindz

Testosterone.

Russ

No

T

E

A

the

tea.

Like

you're

drinking

tea.

Gossip.

Lindz

That's

what

they

say.

Russ

Yeah.

Lindz

What

are

we

in

Britain?

Russ

Catch

up

with

Gen

Z.

Would

you

like

you

I

left

behind.

Lindz

I

refuse.

Russ

Okay,

so

this

whole

event

that

happened

impact

again

near

dear

friend

of

ours.

And

it

all

started

with

social

media.

Lindz

Yes.

Our

friend

has

a

very

significant

following

on

one

of

the

social

media

platforms.

He's

really

good

at

it.

He's

consistent,

he

does

really

good

posts

and

he's

got

hundreds

of

thousands

of

followers.

Well,

having

hundreds

of

thousands

of

followers

also

attracts

bad

attention.

And

what

we

call

a

clout

chaser

posted

on

my

buddy's

page

and

said

that

he

essentially

fat

shamed

him.

Russ

Right.

Lindz

He

said,

you

are

a

big

guy,

you're

unhealthy.

Da

da

da

da

da.

Get

you

a

peloton.

Russ

And

this

person

doesn't

know

him

from

Adam.

Lindz

No,

this

my

friend

because

I

talked

to

him.

He

has

no

idea

who

this

guy

is.

Russ

Yep.

Lindz

Not

never

met

him

in

his

life,

this

dude.

And

was

he

just

was

being

a

dick.

Russ

Yep.

Lindz

Well,

this

guy

got

burned

up

because

he

posted

on

my

friend's

page

or

whatever.

And

of

course

the

people

that

follow

my

friend

are

going

to

defend

my

friend.

Russ

Right.

Lindz

And

then

he

starts

playing

the

victim.

Russ

The

clout

chaser

starts

playing

the

victim.

Lindz

Yeah,

the

clout

chaser

starts

playing

the

victim

like

he

was

the

one

being

attacked.

It's

like,

dude,

you.

You

went

on

my

friend's

public

page

and

commented

because

he

was

like,

this

was

a

comment

between

two

men.

It's

like,

bro,

it's

not

a

comment

between

two

men.

You

didn't.

Russ

When

you're

on

a

public

social

platform.

Lindz

Yeah.

You

didn't

send

it

to

him

in

his

dm.

Russ

There

you

go.

Good

job.

Lindz

You

sent

it

directly

to

a

public

post

so

it

was

visible

by

the

public.

And

then

he

starts

playing

the

victim

because

this

guy

essentially

gets

destroyed.

So

eventually

it

was

found

out

that

this

guy

owned

a

business.

Russ

Yep.

Lindz

This

business

got

trashed

on

all

kinds

of

review

sites,

social

media,

all

that

stuff.

Russ

Yep.

Lindz

Which

then

opened

up

another

can

of

worms.

Well,

then

they

started

bringing

family

members

in.

Russ

Mm.

Lindz

The

clout

chaser

starts.

Starts

calling

out

my

friend's

family

members.

And

it

just.

It's

like,

keyboard

warriors

are

poisonous.

What

are

you

doing?

Just.

Just

leave

people

alone.

Russ

Yep.

Lindz

There's

no

reason

to

go

out

there

and

act

like

you're

some

tough

guy

or

act

like

you're

some

super

fit

guy,

because

it

does.

It

doesn't

matter.

You

might

drop

dead

tomorrow.

You

never

know

again.

Russ

This

person

has

no

idea

what

your

friend

has

been

through.

Lindz

I

know.

Russ

And

he

has

been

on

a

journey

of

his

own.

Lindz

Correct.

Russ

Regarding

his

health.

And

he

has

become

stronger

over

the

past,

what

has

been

five

years?

Lindz

20,

19.

Russ

Jeez.

Lindz

Yeah.

Russ

So

almost.

Almost

five

years

now.

He

has

come

really

far

for

this

person

to

attack

him

without

knowing

anything

about

him.

Lindz

Right.

It's

jealousy.

Russ

It's

clout

chasing,

period,

point

blank.

It

is

someone

looking

to

be

seen,

be

heard.

Because

when

you

deal

with

toddlers,

you

know,

that

even

negative

attention

is

still

attention.

Lindz

Oh,

yeah,

he

got

attention,

but

I

don't

think

he

was

expecting

to

get

found

out,

you

know,

like

associate

him

with

his

little

business.

Russ

Right.

Lindz

Because

that

kind

of.

I

think

that

really

messed

him

up

good.

I

know.

I

agree.

That's

the

thing.

We

talked

about

it

before

that,

you

know,

that

there

shouldn't

be

any

policing

on

social

media.

It

should

be

crowdsourced.

Russ

Yep.

Lindz

That's

what

happened.

Russ

And

I

think

more

of

that

needs

to

happen.

Lindz

I

agree.

You

act

a

fool,

you

go

out

in

it

and

personally.

Yeah.

You

go

out

and

personally

attack

somebody

that

you

have

no

idea

who

they

are,

what

they've

been

through,

what

they're

going

through.

You

deserve

what's

coming.

Russ

Yep.

Lindz

Whether

it's,

you

know,

you're

getting

trashed

on

that

post

or

they

find

your

business

out.

Russ

Yep.

And

start

reviewing

and.

Lindz

Yes.

Russ

Yeah.

Lindz

Good

luck

with

the.

With

the

storm.

You

caused

it.

Russ

Exactly.

Lindz

You

caused

the

storm.

Now

you

have

to,

you

know,

you

have

to

live

it,

Live

with

it.

Russ

Reap

what

you

sold.

Lindz

That's

it.

So

don't

don't.

Just

be

nice

to

people

even

if

they're

online

and

you

don't

like

them.

Russ

Move

on.

Lindz

Yeah,

move

on.

Russ

Unfollow,

block,

ride,

whatever.

Lindz

I

don't

understand

the

point

of

having

to

write

a

comment

on

somebody's

page

when

you're

not

saying

anything.

That's.

First

off,

it

wasn't

even

useful.

Russ

Right.

If

you're

trying

to

have

a

discussion,

which

is

what

we

try

to

do

on

this

podcast.

Lindz

Right,

Right.

Russ

We

try

to

have

discussions

and

build

up

conversations,

talk

about

each

other's

opinions

and

we

don't

have

to

agree.

No,

nobody

cares.

Lindz

No,

but

that's

the

thing.

He

wasn't

even.

It's

not

like

he

was

reviewing

what

my

friend

is

doing

on

social

media.

Russ

Right.

Lindz

He

was.

Russ

There

was

no

conversation

happening.

Lindz

No,

it

was

your

fat.

Get

a

peloton.

Russ

Right.

Lindz

It

was

a

dude

being

a.

Yep.

Don't

do

that.

Russ

Be

a

good

person.

Lindz

Love

you.

Russ

Be

kind.

Lindz

Love

you.

Russ

Bye.

Lindz

And

before

we

go.

Before

we

go,

I

did

say

love

you

twice.

Russ

You're

cute.

Lindz

I

know.

I

love

you.

I

updated

some

stuff

on

the

merch

shop.

Couple

of

new

products.

Russ

Lovely.

Lindz

Some

stickers,

some

nice

new

fonts

that

I

added

to

the.

Some

of

the

merch.

Russ

Let

us

know

what

you

think

about

that.

Lindz

Yeah,

let

us

know

because

I

really

want

to

know.

Russ

One

carrying

mine.

Lindz

One

part

of

this

podcast

doesn't

like

it.

It's

not

us.

The

other

part

loves

it.

It's

us.

Russ

I'm

telling

you,

we

need

to

do

polls.

Lindz

Yeah,

I

know,

but

what

we're.

I'm

scared

to

post

online

because

that

clout

chasing

asshole.

Russ

Oh,

shut

up.

Lindz

I'm

just

kidding.

Love

you.

Russ

Thanks

for

listening

to

the

Unholy

Union

podcast.

Lindz

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Union

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Rock

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merch.

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Again,

thank

you

for

listening

and.

Lindz

We

hope

to

have

you

back

next

week.

Russ

It's

what

you

do

with

things

you

love.